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Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by umvi on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:47AM (#21980352)
Is "a Shambles" British or something? I've always heard it as "in Shambles"
Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by cpach on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:57AM (#21980449)
AFAICT ”a shambles” is correct usage. See https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/24/in-shambles-a-shambles/
Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by OGWhales on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:11AM (#21980611)
Neat, but don't know if I can switch because of how it rolls off the tongue.
Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by umvi on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:38PM (#21982285)
It got easier for me once I learned that "shambles" is a noun that is a synonym of "slaughterhouse". Once I learned that, I emphasized shambles slightly differently as I rolled the phrase off my tongue.

"SHA-1 is a slaughterhouse"

"SHA-1 is a shambles"

Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by OGWhales on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @03:24PM (#21984389)
Yeah I got that from the link, I had no idea before. However, I feel like if it was "is a shamble" it would make more sense to me than "is a shambles".
Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by StuffedParrot on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:37AM (#21980928)
...for traditional use, maybe, but any editor worth their salt will stop you from doing so. At least in America. Many words have changed their meaning and use over the last 500 years.
Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by umanwizard on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:13AM (#21980627)
Downvoted. There's no ISO standard for English, since language is a social phenomenon. "Correct" language is whatever the community of speakers uses in practice, not what someone claims is correct in a blog post (or even a book).
Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by simias on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:26AM (#21980771)
And the linked article showed you that, in practice, "a shambles" is perfectly correct English. It is therefore correct in a descriptivist sense.

Beyond that prefixing your comment by "downvoted" is frankly silly and only serves to derail the conversation IMO.

Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by umanwizard on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:58AM (#21981146)
"a shambles" is not used (or quite rarely used) in North America, in my experience. Which was what the OP was asking about.

You are of course right that "a shambles" is perfectly fine British English, but that's beside the point.

Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by kps on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:27AM (#21981444)
I'm in North America and have never heard ‘in shambles’, without ‘a’. If I did, I'd probably take it as uneducated sociolect.
Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by umvi on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:30PM (#21982175)
Fascinating. I'm guessing it's a regional thing where certain parts of the US say "in shambles" vs. "a shambles" vs. "in a shambles".

Not sure how it would be measured, but I think a /r/dataisbeautiful map would be interesting to see.

Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by plopz on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @04:58PM (#21985442)
NYC here, never have heard it with an 'a'. Its always just 'in shambles'.
Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by StuffedParrot on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:15PM (#21981996)
> And the linked article showed you that, in practice, "a shambles" is perfectly correct English.

I'd think "in practice" would mean evidence of contemporary usage.

Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by dafman on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:01AM (#21980510)
Yes, at least where I live in the south of the UK. Other phrases you might hear are "What a shambles", "That is an absolute shambles" or "Omnishambles"
Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by jen20 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:37AM (#21980922)
"Omnishambles" has a fun etymology - it comes from the political satire "The Thick of It": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnishambles
Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by ancorevard on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:10AM (#21980604)
It's a word for a meat market, or a butcher's shop, in other words – a bloody mess.
Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by pjc50 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:17AM (#21980662)
Yes; in addition to the other comments, there is also the shambles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shambles

(nowadays devoid of mead products but a nice picturesque place to visit if you can stand crowds. Try the bookshop)

Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by claudiawerner on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:47AM (#21981031)
I live in York and I haven't actually gone into any shops in the Shambles...
Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by no_flags on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:09AM (#21980588)
"Far be the thought of this from Henry's heart, To make a shambles of the parliament-house!"

-Shakespeare (Henry VI, Part 3)

Re:The first chosen-prefix collision for SHA-1 by tialaramex on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:57PM (#21982558)
Note that in Shakespeare's time an audience would directly have understood "make a shambles" here to mean violent bloodshed in the parliament building because a "shambles" would have been a common term for somewhere you killed animals to produce meat. Which is exactly what is being described here. Henry VI part 3 is not a play about a polite disagreement settled over lunch...

Today "shambles" remains in the common vocabulary, but only in a sense of things being messy or disorganised, most English readers today probably wouldn't think of literal violence and I suppose that the people who named this website, likewise, were thinking of modern usage.