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Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by wolco on Monday January 06, 2020 @03:58PM (#21973229)
What is the fear around robots? Machines have been displacing human labour for the last 100 years.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by cmcd on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:17PM (#21973413)
During the industrial revolution hard labor jobs transitioned to maintenance work for the machines. The problem is as we improve at automation the need for non-technical maintenance decreases.

A small team of engineers can displace thousands or tens of thousands of workers without creating any new opportunities.

Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by jnwatson on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:22PM (#21974674)
So has Microsoft Excel. We’ve already eliminated millions of desk jobs with IT. What is particularly special about factory jobs?
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by mrb on Monday January 06, 2020 @05:11PM (#21974035)
«A small team of engineers can displace thousands or tens of thousands of workers without creating any new opportunities.»

A corporation that did that would have significantly increased its profits, and this new wealth is often (not always) indirectly redistributed to society. For example the corporation could increase its production (ie. hiring more workers), or increase salaries/bonuses, or increase stock buybacks (therefore benefiting stock owners whoever they are), or spin off new business units, or decrease the prices of their products/services to further improve their competitiveness (hence benefiting customers), etc. Rarely does a corporation sit on piles of cash doing nothing (one notable counter-example: Apple.)

Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by hinkley on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:59PM (#21975020)
At some point, and there are arguments to be made that this point was 'After World War II', industry is capable of producing far more products than the public actually needs. You take out children, the elderly, stay at home parents, and the average person is productive for maybe a third of a lifetime, so being able to produce enough for 3 people is actually necessary.

What happens when you can produce enough for ten? What do the other 70% of people do? Make products nobody actually needs, using up raw materials. That's what we've done since the War and we decry all the waste. You can't have it both ways.

What happens when you can produce enough for 15? 20? 100? In theory that means leisure time in heaps for everyone. In practice we don't have societal structures that actually allow that to happen. You will not receive a week's pay for 6 hours of work. You will not be accepted by your neighbors and peers for working 6 hours a week. Or zero.

You're meant to be doing something. We enforce this with microaggressions on people we've literally just met.

Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by wolco on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:29PM (#21973543)
It frees up a population to do other work. A small team of engineers can create a platform that creates something new to work on. Second life clothing shop for example that would not exist without machines displacing humans.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by ahoy on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:20PM (#21973451)
Losing your job to automation is bad for your livelihood. It has been since we started automating things.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by wolco on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:24PM (#21973495)
Is it bad for your children's livelihood? You are sending a message on a computer made by a machine. Parts are so small it would be impossible to do by hand which created a number of other jobs to support this new ability.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by ahoy on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:05PM (#21974534)
To the extent that my children depend on me to eat, yes, its bad for their livelihood.

I'm saying that technology is _bad_. I'm saying that losing your job is bad, and if your boss replacing you with a machine is what causes that you're right to be upset.

Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by heavyset_go on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:54PM (#21976673)
> Is it bad for your children's livelihood?

Yes, there are numerous documented detrimental effects to children raised in poverty, and many of those effects follow them for life.

Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by throwawayhhakdl on Monday January 06, 2020 @05:44PM (#21974324)
If you work in the fields, and I invent tech that makes you twice as efficient, the most likely result is that half of people like you lose their jobs, and wages stay the same, if not decline due to oversupply.

Might be great for me, but it sucks balls for you. And it tends to suck balls for more people than it helps.

Edit: and that basically follows through to your kids...