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Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by apatters on Monday January 06, 2020 @02:33AM (#21967290)
I suspect most of them were told (by their mothers, continuously for the first 20 years of their lives) that this was in fact the way to land a good woman. Be a nice clean cut guy and earn $120K a year.

If you know so much then what's your prescription for them?

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by glangdale on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:24AM (#21968288)
Well, first of all, lose that sense of entitlement. It's hard to think of much that's less appealing than petulance.

It's also a pretty great way to blind yourself to what 'league' you're actually in. A number of my tech friends have wasted an extraordinary amount of time chasing women absurdly out of their league because they've been convinced that "having a decent job", "being well-spoken" and "eating with their mouths closed" somehow puts them in the top 3% of desirable men. Really, no.

Second, go have a life. You know, other activities outside work? Socializing? This is important anyhow. Preferably do activities because you're interested in them and socialize with people you like, not because you're there to "pick up chicks". Nothing is more tiring than dudes relentlessly on the make in every situation.

This isn't guaranteed to work... especially with dire male/female ratios (although not living like a schlub probably evens the odds a bit). And plenty of people are just really unattractive, uncharismatic, whatever. Not sure what to do then.

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by krageon on Monday January 06, 2020 @07:43AM (#21968669)
> lose that sense of entitlement

When you are told you need to meet specific criteria to achieve a goal, it's not entitlement to expect those criteria to lead to that goal. When trying to get people to listen to what you are saying, try not to start with a put-down.

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by jfengel on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:13AM (#21969690)
I'd say it's precisely entitlement to expect that fulfilling criteria will lead to a goal. Entitlements like that come from pervasive societal messages, and getting over them is hard. You can't see it until it's pointed out, and that is always going to come as a blow.

It's even harder to fix the overall messaging than it is to realize it in yourself. But each person who realizes that they have been sold an entitlement, and gets past it, is one more person who can say, "No, all of the assumptions you've been sold are wrong."

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by glangdale on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:16PM (#21973405)
You're saying that "if someone tells you some entitled garbage, and you believe it, it's not entitled garbage?". So essentially it's not entitlement because someone else told you?
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by mk30 on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @01:10PM (#21994074)
friend, i'm afraid you've been lied to. it's not your fault. we've all absorbed loads of lies. when i was a teenager, i thought no guy would ever want to date me because i wasn't skinny or "pretty". a number of humiliating experiences drove that home. but over time, it turned out to not be the case at all. i had to revise my understanding. and i had to not give up or get grumpy about it.

the good news is now that you know that you've been sold some bad goods, you can start to figure out what the real story is. and only good things can come from that :} there is some great advice in this thread, especially this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21977225

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by hx87 on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:54PM (#21971253)
When you are told something that is wrong, holding onto it after you learn that it is wrong is entitlement.
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by selimthegrim on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:59AM (#21969134)
Who on earth (in USA I should say) actually listens to their parents in this matter?
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by thedaemon on Monday January 06, 2020 @01:29PM (#21971624)
These tech guys who's only relationship is with their mother? I'm pretty sickened by reading all the comments on this post. So many incels it's not even funny.
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by thedaemon on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:26AM (#21980773)
Ah yes chauvinistic men who feel entitlement to "pussy". You are what's wrong with the world. Women are people, not objects.
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by _jgdh on Monday January 06, 2020 @03:04AM (#21967432)
I’m going to guess they won’t have an answer to your question of how single men in the Bay Area working on themselves and “becoming interesting” will suddenly make tens of thousands of single women materialise in the Bay Area.

It was merely a rant about how they felt people shouldn’t feel entitled to anything and that expecting to be able to date if you’ve got your life in order is too much entitlement.

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by glangdale on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:11AM (#21968238)
This is a strange response, mostly a wilful misreading of what I wrote. But yes, having your "life in order" isn't actually all that shit-hot, and yes, "expecting to be able to date" if you're not very interesting is actually "too much entitlement".

Because last time I checked, "expecting to be able to date" involves the decisions of other people and you're not really generally entitled for other people to do much more than treat you with decency and respect. Not, necessarily, want to jump your bones. Sorry.

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by philosopher1234 on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:33AM (#21968330)
Why do you need to be “hot shit” in order to date? Why isn’t being able to provide for your SO emotionally/physically/financially sufficient?

By your standards I’m not hot shit but my girlfriend loves me so I’m wondering why I should even care what you think?

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by glangdale on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:08PM (#21973337)
It's weird you keep cropping up on this thread interpreting me saying "women are not going to flock to you just because you meet some basic criteria so it is foolish to start behaving that you are entitled to this" as "obviously, philosopher1234 cannot possibly have a girlfriend, q.e.d".
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by philosopher1234 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @04:42AM (#21978433)
I claim that being kind, having a stable job, and capable of love is enough to find a woman with those same qualities. I think it’s weird that you keep running around this thread telling men they’re not good enough in such a vicious tone. It comes across as bitter
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by glangdale on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:53AM (#21979104)
OK, once more: at no point did I ever suggest that people can't find love if they don't have much more than table stakes things like "clean fingernails" and "stable jobs" and "capability for love", only that they should not feel entitled to attention from the appropriate gender.

I'm curious as to what's driving your serial misinterpretation, if anything. I suppose it's possible you're just having difficulty with parsing out arguments and reasoning about them (is English your first language?), but it seems just as likely you're on the insecure side. You keep cropping up and asking complete strangers on the Internet to validate your relationship.

So, ok. Dude, you're probably fine. Although it's not a guarantee; there's still a possibility that your girlfriend runs off with Mick Jagger, or a rock-climber who works in a cafe who has $18.23 in his bank account, or a temperamental chess player with a huge schlong who bathes once a month, whether he needs to or not. Keep your eyes peeled at all times!

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by _jgdh on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:05PM (#21981895)
How are you not getting this?

This is not a problem of interestingness. This is a problem of skewed gender ratios. In India and China there are way more men than women. That means that some men will remain without partners regardless of what they do or how interesting they become.

That's their problem you might say. Sure, but only if you ignore the negative consequences of young men being unable to find partners.

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by glangdale on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @04:23AM (#21989807)
OK, so you're still going, too. Neat.

The analogy to India and China is pretty good, aside from a few tiny differences, like the fact that most single males in the valley we're talking about intentionally came there from somewhere else, are hugely wealthy relative to poor Chinese and Indian workers, and that it's ever so slightly easier to cross a county line to somewhere less bizarre than Santa Clara than it is to emigrate out of India or China.

It's funny how I can post a ranty-but-true thing about how the world actually works (i.e. "having some table stakes attributes will not make you a 'pussy magnet'") and just get bombarded by people like you complaining about the dreaded ratio and philosopher1234 who clearly is wondering whether his girlfriend is about to leave him for a rock-climbing jazz musician who doesn't bathe or something.

All these dudes come flooding into an area to work in a dude-dominated industry and collect Big Valley Salaries and somehow this is a problem that needs to be worked out? If it's that big a problem, leave. Geez. How hard it that to figure out?

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by _jgdh on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @08:52AM (#21991371)
So now your solution is for them to leave and go elsewhere. That's fine, it's workable.

I just objected to this idea that they should work on their interestingness and that doing so would somehow solve the problem of them finding someone. I think you acknowledge that even if they all become incredibly interesting, they wouldn't all be able to find partners.

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by swiley on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:45AM (#21968376)
If there’s one thing I know about dating it’s “don’t take your mom’s advice.” So little of it appears to be grounded in reality.

Wearing dress shirts instead of t-shirts was a good idea though.

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Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by philosopher1234 on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:56AM (#21967943)
Why is being a competent, stable, kind adult not enough to be in a healthy relationship? Is it better to be mcjagger than mr Rogers? What I bring to my relationship isn’t primarily mystery or entertainment or coolness or “being interesting”, but an emotional connection, stability, and love. Everyone here is talking like that’s not good enough and I don’t understand why. Clearly it is enough for my girlfriend and it’s what I want from her as well.
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by barry-cotter on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:43AM (#21968369)
> Why is being a competent, stable, kind adult not enough to be in a healthy relationship?

Because no one owes you shit. If you don’t like your circumstances change them. Either change yourself or change your surroundings. You are not owed a relationship of any kind, for any reason. Being a single man in the Bay Area is pretty awful because of the ratio, even if you are reasonably good looking, professionally successful and confident. It’s no fun being a young professional woman in New York City either. The ratio is the ratio; it has its effects. People give women marginally more lip service sympathy but they do exactly as much to actually help. Nothing.