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Re:Musings on the Current Status of High Energy Physics by SkyMarshal on Sunday January 05, 2020 @06:38PM (#21965084)
>I would hope we are in a stage like in the late XIX century, where everything seemed to be known in physics, with some tiny things still needing an explanation

I don't see how that's possible given current uncertainties. We still haven't figured out how to relate quantum mechanics and relativity, haven't fully uncovered the deep structure of matter, and are still debating over strings vs membranes and whatnot. It seems more likely we're still missing something something foundational.

Re:Musings on the Current Status of High Energy Physics by lordgrenville on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:26AM (#21969779)
I'm almost certain parent meant the opposite: it looks as if everything is almost in place, but the UV catastrophe/Michelson-Morley eventually showed that physics had giant holes in and led to massive theoretical breakthroughs.

Amusingly, Michelson said in the 1890s "The more important fundamental laws and facts of physical science have all been discovered, and these are now so firmly established that the possibility of their ever being supplanted in consequence of new discoveries is exceedingly remote...our future discoveries must be looked for in the sixth place of decimals."

Re:Musings on the Current Status of High Energy Physics by SkyMarshal on Monday January 06, 2020 @03:23PM (#21972865)
Yeah that Michelson quote is what I had in mind too. It feels like that kind of situation is still possible even today.
Re:Musings on the Current Status of High Energy Physics by Koshkin on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:04PM (#21973298)
Yes, we definitely want to arrive to a universally accepted unification of gravity with quantum field theory. The M-theory, as sophisticated and promising as it is, does not cut it for some reason. That should tell us something.
Re:Musings on the Current Status of High Energy Physics by BrandoElFollito on Saturday January 11, 2020 @11:44AM (#22020791)
Yes thanks, this is what I meant, sorry for the lack of clarity
Re:Musings on the Current Status of High Energy Physics by Iwan-Zotow on Sunday January 05, 2020 @10:36PM (#21966218)
> We still haven't figured out how to relate quantum mechanics and relativity

Huh? Paul Dirac did it quite some time ago.

> haven't fully uncovered the deep structure of matter

VERY deep, highly irrelevant to our lives.

Re:Musings on the Current Status of High Energy Physics by DavidSJ on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:18AM (#21966667)
Huh? Paul Dirac did it quite some time ago.

I guess he meant general, not special, relativity.

Re:Musings on the Current Status of High Energy Physics by SkyMarshal on Monday January 06, 2020 @02:32PM (#21972291)
>Huh? Paul Dirac did it quite some time ago.

General, not special.

>VERY deep, highly irrelevant to our lives.

1. What a foolish comment. The ability to understand, and one day control, the strong force of matter, is extremely relevant to our lives. Indestructible building materials, space elevators, economic boom from harvesting the asteroid belt, etc. Use your imagination.

2. For the purposes of this comment thread, it's irrelevant whether it's relevant to our lives our not. The assertion was physics is still far from figuring everything out. Nothing to do with our everyday lives.

Re:Musings on the Current Status of High Energy Physics by pfdietz on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:48PM (#21974924)
We understand the strong force well enough to dismiss such possibilities. It has a range of about 1 femtometer. You're not going to be building anything using that except nuclei, and that's not going to give anything like that.

I wonder sometimes if this suspension of critical thinking about what physics will be able to give us is due to science fiction. SF from the beginning has been promising far more than science could ever deliver. We're now at the point in history all those fantasies have to be put down.

Re:Musings on the Current Status of High Energy Physics by SkyMarshal on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:56PM (#21976350)
It took roughly a century from the discovery of quantum mechanics to when we started using aspects of it in real-world technology, even during a relatively primitive period of human history where we were also still figuring out mere electricity.

But I bet during the time quantum theory was first being developed it was hard to see how or whether it might be used in actual technology. I'm sure some even dismissed such possibilities. But here we are now using it to inform radio telecommunications tech, and experimenting with quantum entanglement communications and quantum computers.

A hundred of years of having the correct theoretical foundations + hacking and tinkering on them may make possible things that seem exotic or impossible now.

Re:Musings on the Current Status of High Energy Physics by pfdietz on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:34PM (#21976572)
What? Quantum mechanics was used almost immediately to understand chemical bonds and to understand the nature of semiconductors. The frickin LASER is a quantum mechanical device! I could go on and on. The notion that QM wasn't used for roughly a century is totally false.
Re:Musings on the Current Status of High Energy Physics by SkyMarshal on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:07PM (#21986229)
The laser was invented in 1960, 55yrs after Einstein published his Nobel-winning paper on the photoelectric effect. So great, in some cases it takes even less time to get from correct fundamental theory to useful technology.

The is point is - finding the correct theory sets off a process of hacking and tinkering that results in useful new technologies at some future time, some of which may not have been foreseeable at the time the theory was discovered. But we have to invest in finding the correct theory, anticipating eventually useful things will come of it, some we can foresee and some we can't.