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Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by wayoutthere on Sunday January 05, 2020 @01:28PM (#21962922)
I have; I was a software engineer for over a decade before I moved up through architecture and laterally into product. Those problems are tedious. Not difficult.
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by not_kurt_godel on Sunday January 05, 2020 @02:02PM (#21963153)
While I agree that there are parts of software engineering that are merely 'tedious' rather than 'hard', there are definitely parts that are legitimately 'hard' too. Just because you've had a particular set of experiences that you've classified as tedious doesn't mean your perspective represents the totality of the industry.
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by jcims on Sunday January 05, 2020 @04:55PM (#21964427)
The problem here is that 'hard' is dimensionless and relative. There are people in Australia right now storming the gates of hell with a shovel and a hose because that's the job they signed up for. If that type of work is on the spectrum, I can't really think of anything in software/systems engineering that's 'hard'.
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by codr7 on Sunday January 05, 2020 @05:32PM (#21964639)
That sounds more like courage to me. Many of those shovel and hose carrying people would not make very successful software developers from my experience.

It takes a certain kind of mindset; attention to detail and an ability to visualize and work at high levels of abstraction.

To do it well, that is. Copy-pasting framework cruft until it sort of works is simply boring and the world would be a better place if we stopped doing that.

Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by sweeneyrod on Sunday January 05, 2020 @05:36PM (#21964662)
Hard as in unpleasant, obviously not. Hard as in mentally challenging, obviously yes.
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by wolco on Sunday January 05, 2020 @05:32PM (#21964635)
10 years ago everything was tedious but possible because you had full control. Now it's super easy until impossible/difficult.
Re:Ask HN: I've been slacking off at Google for 6 years. How... by Ocerge on Sunday January 05, 2020 @06:15PM (#21964927)
> Now it's super easy until impossible/difficult.

That's interesting, I've never thought of it this way. I'm bored out of my mind at work more often than not due to not having full access to a monolith where it's actually possible to understand/work on the whole thing. Instead, I have to work until I hit a black box/3rd party and I have to either work around it or knock on the black box and ask the proprietors for help. I know that's a generalization, but it's a real cost of componentization of everything into services and the like, at least in the web world. It's _super_ fucking easy to get like 95% to a solution to almost anything on the web, but that last 5% where you spend the most time is like a constant root-canal.