Re:How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 19...
by jessaustin on Saturday January 04, 2020 @08:09AM
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The last war USA "won" was WWII. For all that we spend on it, and for as many innocents as it destroys, our military cannot accomplish objectives that benefit the national interest. Which isn't surprising, because it has been optimized to waste resources, not to win.
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Re:How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 19...
by michaelbrave on Saturday January 04, 2020 @09:14PM
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It's also arguable that most of the winning in WWII had a lot to do with the Russians, but aren't credited with it in the american narrative. Particularly interesting was Japan's delayed response and surrender after the nukes, which goes to show these were not why they actually surrendered but helped to paint a post war narrative that allowed them to prosper more after losing.
Re:How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 19...
by kortilla on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @05:01PM
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Who did japan surrender to?
Re:How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 19...
by mrep on Saturday January 04, 2020 @11:20AM
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In what way do you consider the gulf war a failure?
Re:How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 19...
by jessaustin on Saturday January 04, 2020 @04:15PM
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Can I assume you're talking about the first one, stumbled into by Bush the Elder? Did we win that? When did we win it? Why didn't the troops come home then?
USA troops stationed in Arabia, as they have been since the beginning of that war, was the reason that ObL did the 9/11 attacks. Those attacks were good for lots of armaments manufacturers, but the were not in the American national interest.
Re:How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 19...
by frequentnapper on Saturday January 04, 2020 @05:08PM
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Not true. 9/11 was the direct result of us interfering in Indonesia east Timor conflict 15 years earlier by stopping jihadis from wiping out christians.
Re:How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 19...
by jessaustin on Saturday January 04, 2020 @05:39PM
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OK, sure, ObL cared more about some island he'd never visited than about his home nation. Pull the other one, conspiracy theorist.
http://www.actmemphis.org/usama-bin-laden-1996-declaration-o...
Re:How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 19...
by frequentnapper on Saturday January 04, 2020 @07:37PM
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Actually it's many many islands that host the largest population of Muslims in the world by nation. You're mistaken that this is a regional thing. Jihad is and always has been global.
Re:How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 19...
by boomboomsubban on Saturday January 04, 2020 @11:31PM
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Bin Laden published his list of reasons for masterminding 9/11, East Timor was not the reason. And Muslims do not have this insane worldwide unity you're implying.