You've opened by suggesting people you disagree with might have mental health issues. You are going well beyond 'putting forth rational thoughts for discussion' already.

This is not a Google internal discussion, though, and I am not working for YCombinator.

I am stating the fact that I would feel unsafe working for a company like Google. Whether my feeling of being unsafe is warranted is up for discussion. That I have the feeling (or expect to have it) is a fact.

By the way, forcing people through diversity training is also like that: it is saying "you are racist and need to be reprogrammed". That is likewise not a good entry for discussion. Except that compared to my comment on an internet forum, it is official company policy.

I don't disagree with your feelings. Those are totally valid (even if my feelings about it are different than yours.)

I'm just suggesting you might want to take some time to be introspective. Personally, I read many of your comments as emotionally charged personal opinions rather than 'rational thoughts for discussion'.

I'm not going to invalidate what you feel, but I do suggest that you might not be effectively translating those feelings into rational discussion points as much as you think you are?

Sure, I get your point - I just meant this wasn't supposed to be the rational discussion about women in tech. I would approach such a discussion in a different way. If I would put myself in a situation where it would be necessary (like accepting a job offer from Google), I would be more diplomatic.

I am emotionally charged on that subject, yes - but that is after years of dealing with it.

I think Damore made a pretty good effort at putting his thoughts into rational discussion points, and it didn't help. I think to make any headyway on that topic, if it is possible at all, will require psychology, not rational arguments.

But why do you think your workplace is an appropriate place for "rational discussion" (which, to run afoul of Google, would have to be fairly controversial)?

And you still won't say exactly how diversity training affects your safety. You can simply attend and listen without venturing any risky comments.

Google has a problem, or thinks it has a problem - in the Damore case it was "too few female engineers". So I would expect to use rationality to come up with possible solutions.

However, as I said, I think Google is entitled to do it in their own way. I just personally don't want to work for a company that doesn't employ rational thought and discussion for trying to solve problems.

I am not proposing to implement a law that forces companies to allow open discussions. I am just saying I personally don't want to work there.

Diversity training and safety - I wrote it elsewhere. It signals "this is SJW territory". In a similar vein you could say "why does a Swastika tattoo make you feel unsafe? Just don't say you are Jewish or homosexual".

So you consider proactive social justice (such as hiring more women and diversity training) to be analogous to the Holocaust?

Swastikas make Jews feel unsafe because Nazis kill Jews (even today).

Diversity training and social justice are not killing anyone, nor are they anti-anyone.

"When you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression." Not sure who said that, but it seems applicable to your mindset here.

Social Justice Warriors are killing people, you just don't care, so you don't notice. They try to destroy lives - make people unemployable and outcasts in society. There have been suicides, and lots of ruined careers.

If a company publicly hires James Damore now, SJWs will probably launch a campaign against that company sooner or later, so I wonder how employable he is these days?

It's only because they don't have enough power yet that more people haven't died.

Analogy to the Holocaust: of course it is not the same thing, I was using an extreme example to make the point obvious.

Nevertheless, SJWs are not a force of good in the world. And "proactive social justice", as I said, is just a way to mark the territory and grasp power.

""When you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.""

That's just a lame bullshit excuse to not look at what is actually happening. Discrimination is discrimination, no matter if you do it in the name of good or not. If you prefer to hire non-white female people, you are racist and sexist. It's absurd that those same racist and sexist people then get to send normal people to diversity training and accuse them of being racist.

If you look at individuals, the injustice of the "proactive social justice" approach is patently obvious.