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Re:Hard deadlines are not user-first by JohnBooty on Thursday January 02, 2020 @12:47PM (#21937695)

   My hunch is that standups are pretty useless 
   on teams where each developer is working on 
   an independent change where there isn't much 
   opportunity to get blocked by teammates aside 
   from waiting for code reviews and the like
Personal anecdote, but I like to know what my teammates are working on even if we're not collaborating directly.

I could (and do) read their commits and PRs, and standups are not a replacement for that, but I think you can usually get a better idea just by chatting for a few minutes each day.

I view the cost of a daily standup as very small (they should be only a few minutes long!) so while some would call the benefits modest, I think the "time spent vs. value obtained" ratio is still very good.

Re:Hard deadlines are not user-first by koreth1 on Thursday January 02, 2020 @01:51PM (#21938399)
For me the cost is much less about, "It's just a few minutes long" and much more about, "Having to get up from my desk and talk to people about their projects kills my flow state." It's a short meeting but it's still a meeting and has the same effect on focused thinking as a longer meeting. Losing focus is totally fine if there's benefit to it, but for standups where I neither learn nor teach anything new, it's all cost and no benefit.

I too like knowing what my teammates are working on, but I already get that from the team's Slack channel where people talk about what they're doing as they do it.

Re:Hard deadlines are not user-first by JohnBooty on Friday January 03, 2020 @09:53AM (#21946324)
I agree about the frustration of having my flow disrupted, but my like of daily standups is related to my experience that they create an overall reduction in interruptions.

Of course, that's my experience. Others may have had different experiences and I respect that. If you formerly had 0 interruptions per day and now you have 1 interruption per day, that would be frustrating. I would also like to work where you work!

Re:Hard deadlines are not user-first by alasdair_ on Friday January 03, 2020 @07:23AM (#21945292)
>I view the cost of a daily standup as very small (they should be only a few minutes long!) so while some would call the benefits modest, I think the "time spent vs. value obtained" ratio is still very good.

My problem with a morning standup is that it completely destroys my productivity if I come in early and really get cracking on a problem, then have to stop and task-switch. I'd much rather make it optionally asynchronous.

Re:Hard deadlines are not user-first by JohnBooty on Friday January 03, 2020 @09:55AM (#21946343)
Yeah, I feel the same way sometimes regarding the timing. I don't think they should be in the morning. The older I get, the more of a morning person I am... that's my productive time.

I personally would rather do those meetings in the early afternoon, like before or after lunchtime.

Pretty sure there are plenty of studies that show early afternoon is our least productive time anyway.

(TBH, and I'm being completely serious here, my ideal schedule would also involve siesta time in the early afternoon)