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Re:The impact of cannabis access laws on opioid prescribing by freedomben on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @04:45PM (#21924994)
The FDA/DEA war on Kratom is truly heinous. The worst part is certain media outlets (like USA Today) are happy to regurgitate FDA propaganda without even mentioning the counter arguments. There are a few articles I see in other outlets that are fair, but more often than not it's the government-approved line.
Re:The impact of cannabis access laws on opioid prescribing by peteretep on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @08:40PM (#21926060)
Kratom is addictive and you can overdose on it, neither of which is generally considered true for cannabis. It seems odd to mention both in the same breath.
Re:The impact of cannabis access laws on opioid prescribing by freedomben on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @10:49PM (#21926526)
You can not over dose on kratom. You'll become nauseous and throw up long before reaching a toxic level. It is addictive tho. But so is caffeine, and even sugar, but nobody wants to ban those.
Re:The impact of cannabis access laws on opioid prescribing by 0xdeadb00f on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @12:27AM (#21926799)
This is also similar to marijuana IIRC. You pass out long before you're ever able to reach toxic levels of THC. I'm not sure how true this is though, only something I heard from someone in HS who was a massive stoner.
Re:The impact of cannabis access laws on opioid prescribing by GordonS on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @06:02AM (#21927578)
I don't see how you could possibly overdose on kratom - large doses make you sick (and when I say "large dose", I mean relative to a typical dose of 3-10g - which is nowhere near to an overdose). I don't have a source (on mobile), but I seem to recall reading that you'd need to eat something like a kg if kratom to overdose.

Both cannabis and kratom can be psychologically addictive, in the same way as anything "rewarding" can be.

As kratom contains opioids, it might also cause physical dependence. I say might, as mitragynine is not a typical opioid, in that it doesn't recruit beta-arresting - which is thought to be responsible for the build up of tolerance and dependence by opioids, as well as for some of the negative side effects, such as respiratory depression.

There are many conflicting anecdotal reports claiming that kratom does cause withdrawal on abstinence, or does not. Personally, I have previously been able to stop kratom multiple times with no withdrawal at all (which has certainly not been the case with my prescribed opioid meds). My guess is there may be genetic factors at play here, and of course as a natural product there are bound to be variations in chemical composition of kratom from different sources.

Re:The impact of cannabis access laws on opioid prescribing by pstuart on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @11:20PM (#21926626)
Meh. Show me credible data on actual overdoses. The addictive potential is definitely there but is present elsewhere and otherwise accepted.

And for when it is in an addictive context, is it merely replacing an unhealthier habit with a more benign one?