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Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by longtom on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @11:19AM (#21922089)
Wished such news articles would ways contextualize such news with a graph of the fire activity in previous years, if not in the entire recorded history. I want a figure how many standard deviations this is above the mean.

Edit: Something like this:

https://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/145000/14...

Source: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145998/fires-take-a...

Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by nabla9 on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @01:29PM (#21923196)
BBC has nice info-graphic comparing different Australian fires. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50951043

direct link to image: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/ECEF/production/...

Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by StreamBright on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @11:32AM (#21922230)
Something like this?

https://ibb.co/1dmJ1xJ

Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by longtom on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @12:14PM (#21922597)
Thanks. Interesting how rare and extreme these events are. This suggests a runway process is involved in that the fire spreads and multiplies in just the right conditions, but presumably it takes a while for nature to grow enough to become vulnerable to a large fire again? Not enough data here to tell for sure. It is interesting that some plants have evolved to require fire to survive and reproduce (pyrophytic plants), so wild fire is by no means unnatural. There does not seem to be a positive trend here.
Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by viraptor on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @02:16PM (#21923682)
So graphs like that should be read together with information about how the bush management changed over time. See this long thread for example: https://twitter.com/JediJeremy/status/1208997157346242561

I believe in recent past we've gone through: "everything's burning, let's put it out", "we've had massive fires, let's do planned burns", and now "let's defund organisations that can do effective bush management". This will explain some of the changes visible. The current area is due to the buildup nobody managed - neither by government organised burns, nor fire stick farming.

Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by salty_biscuits on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @08:47PM (#21926084)
The window for conducting planned burns has also been shrinking over time (either too dry and it will run away or too wet).
Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by StreamBright on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @03:30AM (#21927228)
Yep this is exactly it. There is a periodic phenomenon going on here. We do not measure or collect data long enough to look at it like that. I think the trend is hard to spot here.
Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by tejohnso on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @12:13PM (#21922590)
That's not what this article is about. Sometimes you have to go looking for an article specifically about the historical context. Here's one I found on initial search [1].

> For the forests and woodlands in the eastern half of the state, this is unprecedented.

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/22/austr...

Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by longtom on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @04:24PM (#21924846)
Doesn't matter what the post is about. Always gimme context pls
Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by netsharc on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @11:27AM (#21922169)
I can't help but ask if you have an agenda.. is it to say "See, the NASA graph shows it's not much worse than previous years, climate change is nothing to worry about!"?

The graph starts in 2014, that's not exactly a "pre-climate-crisis" year...

Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by longtom on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @11:49AM (#21922392)
LOL, you guys have a really sensitive "climate denial sensor". I am about as critical of ignorant consumerism as it gets. For example I do not think millions of people need to travel >200 miles a day. But I am also aware that reducing consumerism is associated with a risk of mass unemployment and social unrest. Nonetheless I desire context. It's just my need as a nerd to get the full picture rather than "look at this scary context-less number".
Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by majewsky on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @12:46PM (#21922859)
You want the full picture, yet post a graph that starts at 2014?
Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by nabla9 on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @12:45PM (#21922853)
It's not an agenda. News sometimes miss important context.

The Brazilian forest fires this year are a good example. It took weeks until we learned that the forest fires are not significantly worse than previous years. Brazil has been burning at the same rate for many years.

Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by hydgv on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @12:11PM (#21922567)
Pretending that fires have gone up 10x[] this year is an agenda, too

[]Yeah made up number, not the point

Re:Bushfires in Australia so big they generate pyrocumulonim... by scrumbledober on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @11:29AM (#21922195)
it starts in 2014 and shows a pretty clear upward trend for such a short time period