Re:Turkey unveils first fully domestically-produced car in $...
by smm2000 on Friday December 27, 2019 @08:41PM
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There is argument that it's easier to build car now than in 60ies because car parts manufacturing was decentralized in 90ies. In 60ies vertically integrated car companies dominated market and you could not buy car parts at any price if those companies did not want to sell them to you. Now most parts are produced by third parties (that often used to be part of fully integrated car company like Delphi Technologies) and you can build modern car like legos, outsource pretty much everything and only do final assembly. Still not easy (30k+ parts in every car) but doable.
Re:Turkey unveils first fully domestically-produced car in $...
by seanmcdirmid on Friday December 27, 2019 @07:29PM
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It’s a bit interesting in that because Chinese factories rely a lot more on human labor and less on automation, quality suffers significantly. A Toyota, Audi, or Honda simply isn’t the same level of car in the mainland as it is elsewhere.
Re:Turkey unveils first fully domestically-produced car in $...
by Aperocky on Friday December 27, 2019 @10:01PM
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Interesting, this is the first time I came across this. Do you have source that factories operated by Toyota, Audi, Honda etc. in China are different in operation by design from their home countries?
Re:Turkey unveils first fully domestically-produced car in $...
by seanmcdirmid on Friday December 27, 2019 @11:36PM
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They are all done by 49/51 JVs, so it isn’t Toyota making the cars, it is GAC Toyota. My observations are all anecdotal and shared by Chinese colleagues when I was working in China. They are starting aggressive programs to automate (e.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/business/a-robot-revoluti...) and quality should improve over time.
Note that it doesn’t really bother most people because while the defect rate is higher, the mechanics to fix those problems are cheaper as well.
Re:Turkey unveils first fully domestically-produced car in $...
by dsfyu404ed on Friday December 27, 2019 @07:22PM
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>at the end of the British Leyland body assembly line men with large hammers would whack the doors from below to make them close properly.
Not that your point about inherent complexity doesn't stand but having to whack body panels to make them fit just means the dies are at the end of their lives. They certainly would have fit without mechanical persuasion when the dies were new. The hood of any late 90s International S-series is a good example of this.
Re:Turkey unveils first fully domestically-produced car in $...
by jacquesm on Friday December 27, 2019 @07:45PM
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There is a reason why almost all British car companies went out of business.
Re:Turkey unveils first fully domestically-produced car in $...
by dsfyu404ed on Friday December 27, 2019 @11:30PM
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Yeah, but using sheet sheet metal dies that were on death's doorstep wasn't it. Plenty of other companies did that back in the day.
Just for a reminder of how bad it really was: at the end of the British Leyland body assembly line men with large hammers would whack the doors from below to make them close properly. Body panels were simply not made to the same standard that they are today and people didn't care that much about such stuff.