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Re:I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams by tptacek on Friday December 27, 2019 @04:48PM (#21895010)
I see this argument, about physical demands, a lot, and I don't understand how it's coherent. Somebody is going to do these jobs. Is the argument that it's not fair for kids who could go to college to be that person?
Re:I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams by tmpz22 on Friday December 27, 2019 @04:52PM (#21895039)
> Is the argument that it's not fair for kids who could go to college to be that person?

Spot on. When I make that argument its from the perspective of me at 18 with the options to do either. I think you're making an important counter point that many don't have the option to begin with, due to money, citizenship, parental/child care, relationships, illness, education level, etc. - although scholarships heavily target most of those demographics.

Re:I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams by fzeroracer on Friday December 27, 2019 @05:13PM (#21895209)
My parents destroyed their body doing professional fishing as their career.

They were very happy that I decided to get a desk job because they didn't want me to be in perpetual pain and disabled like they are.

Re:I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams by tptacek on Friday December 27, 2019 @05:16PM (#21895225)
So then your argument is that nobody should fish professionally, right?
Re:I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams by bonoboTP on Friday December 27, 2019 @05:07PM (#21895164)
Your kids are your kids. While you as a single person may not do much to improve working conditions across society, you can improve your kids' future by steering them towards less physically demanding jobs.

Especially people who do physical work themselves try to make sure their kids won't have to. E.g. my grandparents, who were simple village folks working in the fields, made sure to support their kids in getting educated. (Despite all its nastyness, one of the few good things about socialist Hungary was that this kind of upward mobility was possible and encouraged).

Re:I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams by tptacek on Friday December 27, 2019 @05:10PM (#21895192)
The idea that people shouldn't do demanding physical work, and that everyone should to the best of their ability make sure their own kids don't, doesn't seem to me like a good way to structure a society.

My uncle was an electrician (he's retired now), and so is one of his sons, and they both seem pretty happy with their lives. Happier than a lot of tech workers I know.

Re:I killed my teenager’s fancy college dreams by bonoboTP on Friday December 27, 2019 @05:36PM (#21895376)
Most individual people don't try to structure society, they try to improve their and their families' lives.

I don't fault anyone for not sacrificing themselves for the greater good of society at large.

And yes, for sure, there can be shitty, stressful and low-paid office jobs and fulfilling, well-paid physical work. If someone finds an example of the latter, I see no reason why they wouldn't recommend it to their kids.