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Re:Open Hardware on Its Own Doesn’t Solve the Trust Problem by kerkeslager on Friday December 27, 2019 @10:25AM (#21891811)
That's true, but if I'm reading the subtext of your post correctly, you're saying that this is pointless, and I don't think it is.

For a lot of people, we're well below the level of security where hardware security is relevant. The average person is still willing to run software that downloads/installs/runs malware on their machine (browsers with Javascript enabled). So in that sense, we've got a lot of work to do to get developers and consumers to practice better security at the software level before the hardware level is even a significant concern.

However, I do hope for a future where software security is both a fairly solved problem and the norm, and if that time comes, I want to be ready for the inevitable arms race when hackers move to hardware vulnerabilities.

Recognize that yes, there are always more layers, but each layer of vulnerability has decreased capabilities. It's a lot easier to read someone's hard drive using an installed app with full filesystem permissions than it is to read the same hard drive using their power supply.

Also recognize that these layers require more capability from your attacker. A Russian hacker can write an app that reads people's hard drives from anywhere in the world. The power grid simply lacks the networking infrastructure for long-distance remote access in many cases, requiring more physical locality.

Re:Open Hardware on Its Own Doesn’t Solve the Trust Problem by vardump on Friday December 27, 2019 @10:29AM (#21891827)
> That's true, but if I'm reading the subtext of your post correctly, you're saying that this is pointless, and I don't think it is.

I'm not saying this is pointless at all! Just that so far there seems to always be another layer that can be used to circumvent the protections.

I guess I'm more like saying we should not ever take security for granted. Instead, we should look at the whole system and try to find the easiest attack vectors. Which might not be purely software issues anymore.

For example, at some point we might need to consider the physical effects of the code being executed or how the physical environment can affect it.

When the software is sufficiently strong, the attacks will be directly or indirectly against the hardware.

Re:Open Hardware on Its Own Doesn’t Solve the Trust Problem by kerkeslager on Friday December 27, 2019 @11:20AM (#21892158)
I think we're in agreement, then. I'm sorry for accusing you of saying something you didn't say!
Re:Open Hardware on Its Own Doesn’t Solve the Trust Problem by jacquesm on Friday December 27, 2019 @10:55AM (#21891978)
So far though, software has been the soft underbelly of secure systems. The hardware is assumed to be compromised at a level that is shockingly bad and nobody seems to care, we just accept it and move on (IME, PSP, TrustZone).