Of course they're a political organization. The "Ethics, Society & Politics" track should be a pretty obvious hint: https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2019/Fahrplan/events...

The CCC is a political organisation and always has been.

CCC has not become a political organization, it always was. It was founded at the left-wing newspaper Taz and always had political goals. It‘s also quite interesting that american hacker conferences are all right wing and have strong ties with the ‘intelligence community’ but hacker conferences in Europe are the opposite.

You're not forced to attend/watch the political parts though.

The ccc has a Unvereinbarkeitserklärung

I guess this here?

https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2005/unvereinbarkeitserklaerun...

> By this we mean not only numerous “free comradeships” but also groups such as the “Deutsche Liga für Volk und Heimat”, DVU, FPÖ, the “Hilfsgemeinschaft Nationaler Gefangener”, Lijst Pim Fortuyn (Partij LPF), NPD, ProKöln and “Die Republikaner”.

These are all small splinter parties, aside from the right-populist FPÖ who was recently in the government coalition in Austria and has 60000 members.

This is an _open_ list from 2005. They consider other, similar parties to be part of the list too. I.e. the AfD was founded only years later so it's not part of the list but still considered unwelcome by most.

for reference: https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2005/unvereinbarkeitserklaerun...

For those who need to search, that seems to roughly translate to "declaration of non-compatibility". CCC had declared that members of far-right groups are not welcome.

I don't think the KKK are a very good analogy for this; a better example might be McCarthyists/the House Committee on Un-American Activities, since they attack people based on political affiliation, which is at least nominally chosen, rather than inborn characteristics like skin color. Also the KKK made much more use of direct physical violence, rather than social and legal violence.

This is by design. HN tries to avoid controversial matters being discussed. The entire point of this discussion forum is to create value for YC by attracing/feeding potentential founders into their vortex. Political controversy is not good for business.

Even if something has hundreds of upvotes, it seems like all it takes is maybe 3-5 flags to get it buried. This is pathethic and needs to be called out at a larger scale.

That's not quite right. We're trying to optimize for intellectual curiosity. The most interesting HN is the most valuable HN. There's no business objective beyond that (excepting the handful of formal things that HN explicitly gives back to YC in exchange for funding it, like job ads and Launch HNs for YC startups).

Plenty of politically controversial topics get discussed here. But it's also the case that many politically inflammatory threads are just not intellectually interesting. The people doing the bashing on both sides feel very strongly about it, but the majority of the audience here tunes out in tedium.

Case in point: internet bickering about Antifa. This is lame.

Well, this is very subjective, and I am afraid if many people with <X> agenda are reading a <Y> thread, its very easy to have flagged sensible(potentially interesting) comments not because of intellectual value, but because they're disliked. Not sure how to fix

This post was flagged soon after it was posted:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21890328

It informed people in a quite polite manner that there was a particular political alignment factor to this event. Many people commented and were thus apparently were interrested in the topic.

Is this lame? I don't get it.

I think you should at least increase the number of flag actions required to bury something (or better yet, rework the entire system from the ground up) - as it stands it's way too easy for political opponents to bury something they don't like. The Hong Kong-related threads have also illustrated this.

The bottom line: it's way too easy to kill information posted on HN.

You’re german, you should be very well aware that CCC always has been political and that being Antifa is a stance a lot of folks support. Don’t try to muddy the waters here.

In the US it’s a different case but here we’re explicitly speaking of the CCC.

Which organization do you mean?

I think he means Antifa, which is not an organisation but more of a network or movement. And no, not "most" would call them a "terrorist group".

Do you genuinely believe this? If yes, would you care to expand further on this? I'm utterly fascinated and would love to hear more background on what leads you to believe that this comparison is apt.

Why is this comment flagged? Is antifa having its own segment/talks? this would be very useful to know, as they're indeed an extremely radical organization(you can have left views and not resort to anything resembling that IMO)

Antifa is not one organization and the lowest common denominator is acting against fascism.

Maybe 'Extinction Rebellion'? I don't know though if they have a stand on this CCC event.

https://www.golem.de/news/ccc-und-die-afd-wie-politisch-darf... shows one...