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Re:Turkey's block on Wikipedia violates rights, court rules by duxup on Thursday December 26, 2019 @11:02PM (#21889068)
I have no doubt Erdogan has won elections.

I do wonder how free and legitimate they are when he gets to expel those who oppose him.

And of course the big question is would he allow a result where an election would mean he is removed from power.

Re:Turkey's block on Wikipedia violates rights, court rules by rolleiflex on Thursday December 26, 2019 @11:59PM (#21889325)
Erdogan lost elections in the recent past and he had to give up power in Istanbul. The mayor of Istanbul is basically the Vice President of Turkey in terms of broadcasting power and actual ability to do things on the ground due to the sheer size of Istanbul, and he’s been a major thorn on his side since. I don’t think (I hope) when the time comes, he refuses to leave, that would be a much, much different problem than the ones facing Turkey right now.

Re: legitimacy, I’ve been on the losing side of those elections for the last two decades by now. Unfortunately they’re pretty legitimate, he really does have a majority and his majority does not depend on expelling people. Had it been that way, Turkey would make a lot more sense.

The core problem with Turkey lie not with legitimacy of elections, or with the consent of the governed, but within the much more subtle distinction between ‘ruling’ and ‘governing’ what is ultimately a very pluralistic society with a vast range of ethnic and sociocultural backgrounds. Doing legitimate elections is one thing, not assuming they mean ultimate power to squash out your opposition like bugs on a windshield is quite another. In terms of social malaise, Turkey is more similar to Hungary or Poland, rather than Russia.

Again, it’s a weird country, it doesn’t make sense even to its inhabitants so I try to avoid commenting on it from afar.

Re:Turkey's block on Wikipedia violates rights, court rules by diminish on Friday December 27, 2019 @05:08AM (#21890343)
As someone on the opposite end of the political spectrum - made/joined a lot of campaigns against Erdogan's party since 15 years I could say He barely wins recent elections and lost 3 major towns and will lose power in few years.

In Turkey our biggest problems have unfortunately "made in USA" labels :( . One of them is the the Imam of Universe (Fethullah Islamist cult) harbored in Pennsylvania by cold war remnants in Washington around intelligence circles. Those fellows are embedding a network followers in crucial posts in public and in large private enterprises by stealing exam questions, cheating in all sorts of admission processes, eliminating anyone who is just not one of them. At the end they have attempted a military coups for tactical political reasons. Needless to say when they were in power, those pro-western Gulen sect banned Youtube, blogger, Google Sites due to them talking about biological evolution in 2000s.