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Re:U.S. Tech Giants Bet Big on India, and Now It’s Changing ... by elfexec on Thursday December 26, 2019 @06:09AM (#21883094)
> That's the first time I've ever heard someone say the Commonwealth is an indicator of anything.

Probably because you are from Britain, Canada, Australia or New Zealand.

> First off, Queen Elizabeth isn't the head of state of India, like she is in Canada or Australia.

But queen elizabeth is the head of the commonwealth. The commonwealth is headquartered in london. The official language is english. The commonwealth is the british empire rebranded - and poorly at that in my opinion.

> Second, that hasn't impeded those nations' development in any way whatsoever.

Because canada and australia are descendent nations of britain. India was a conquered nation of britain. Surely even you can see that india and african colonies were treated differently than canada, australia and new zealand.

> India's membership in Commonwealth amounts to basically a cultural and educational exchange program.

A cultural and educational reminder of their humiliating past?

> They participate in the Commonwealth Games every 4 years (or however often they occur). There are no trade or military agreements, or anything else of consequence.

I don't think you understand what I am saying. A truly great nation. A nation that aspires to be important. Cannot think like a colonial nation.

Do you think south korea or taiwan would join a japanese empire rebranded as commonwealth of nations? Of course not, their elites will never allow it. But india is. If the indian elites do not have the requisite national pride needed for india "to be great", how will the nation become great?

All major industrial nations have become great via the top-down model. The people at the top need to have that vision first. India simply does not have them amongst their elites.

Look at China. They've lifted nearly a billion people out of poverty. India is just now working on trying to get toilets for their people.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-05-12/india-access-toilets-...

400 million indians do not have access to reliable electricity. That's more than the population of the US ( 320 million ).

https://phys.org/news/2013-11-rural-india-electricity.html

Both india and china liberated themselves from western colonialism around the same time. China has improved drastically while india lags behind. Why is that? The list of members of the british commonwealth tells you all you need to know.

Re:U.S. Tech Giants Bet Big on India, and Now It’s Changing ... by throw_776435 on Thursday December 26, 2019 @10:33AM (#21884447)
A great book that goes over the history of protectionism is Bad Samaritans: The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism by Ha-Joon Chang.
Re:U.S. Tech Giants Bet Big on India, and Now It’s Changing ... by triceratops on Thursday December 26, 2019 @01:36PM (#21885713)
> Probably because you are from Britain, Canada, Australia or New Zealand.

Nope.

> The commonwealth is the british empire rebranded

I wasn't aware the Commonwealth suppresses industry in nations outside Britain with tariffs, uses them as a source of cheap raw materials for British manufacturing, and as captive markets for those manufactures. Or that Britain sends gunboats to enforce treaties and blockade ports of members that don't comply. Or that India, Nigeria, Pakistan and all the other Commonwealth members still have their laws made for them by the British Parliament and have no representation.

> But queen elizabeth is the head of the commonwealth. The commonwealth is headquartered in london. The official language is english.

Yeah, because these are the only things that all the members have in common.

> Because canada and australia are descendent nations of britain.

So you yourself are admitting that a lady with a crown and a golden stick makes no difference to whether a former British colony progresses or not. It depends purely on the treatment they received from Britain.

> A cultural and educational reminder of their humiliating past? If the indian elites do not have the requisite national pride needed for india "to be great", how will the nation become great?

The past is the past - there's little point in holding grudges. India parted from Britain on relatively friendly terms. Pride is toxic, destructive, unproductive. Grownups do not stew over historical insults. They try to build a better future.

> I don't think you understand what I am saying. A truly great nation. A nation that aspires to be important. Cannot think like a colonial nation.

I don't think you understand that for member nations such as India, Pakistan, Nigeria, the Commonwealth is a glorified tea club. There are no political, trade, or military implications whatsoever. They swap stories, make friends, have a good time. I don't even know what "think like a colonial nation" means.

"Commonwealth citizen" is only a meaningful term for nations in the Caribbean and British Isles.[1]

It's crazy to say you shouldn't ever establish cordial relations with your former colonizer. The US was scrambling to do exactly that immediately after winning the Revolutionary War, when they lost their only friends in the French Revolution.

> Do you think south korea or taiwan would join a japanese empire rebranded as commonwealth of nations?

And yet South Korea has managed in the recent past to cooperate with Japan to co-host important international events. They also had a rather more bitter parting than India and Britain.

> China has improved drastically while india lags behind. Why is that?

There are many reasons for this. None have anything to do with membership in a social club of nations.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_citizen

Re:U.S. Tech Giants Bet Big on India, and Now It’s Changing ... by elfexec on Thursday December 26, 2019 @11:12PM (#21889119)
> Nope.

So an indian immigrant in the US? I'm running out of guesses.

> I wasn't aware the Commonwealth suppresses industry in nations outside Britain with tariffs,

I didn't say it did. I said it represented a mindset. That india, pakistan, nigeria, etc are still in the commonwealth says a lot about the mindset of the elites. Funnily enough, india, pakistan, nigeria aren't the epitome of progress and development.

> The past is the past - there's little point in holding grudges. India parted from Britain on relatively friendly terms.

India didn't part on good terms. But I agree the past is the past. Why is india still part of the british empire/commonwealth?

> Pride is toxic, destructive, unproductive.

The US, China, Japan, Korea, France, Russia, Britain, etc are all very prideful nations. Reality says you are wrong about pride.

> And yet South Korea has managed in the recent past to cooperate with Japan to co-host important international events.

Yes. But not as part of the japanese empire. Koreans would view that as a humiliation for korea to be part of the japanese commonwealth after a few decades of colonialism. You seem to be under the bizarre illusion that India can't have good relations with britain or anyone else after they leave the commowealth. The US isn't part of the commonwealth and yet US-british relations are far more important that british-indian relations.

> There are many reasons for this. None have anything to do with membership in a social club of nations.

It has everything to do with india's membership in their former colonial master's club.

Do you think russia or china would join a reborn mongol empire/commonwealth? The british empire was one of the most evil and cruel institutions in human history. And india suffered under british colonialism for nearly 150 years. Think about what it says about the indian leadership that they still cling to the british empire?

A slavish minded leadership cannot help their nation. It's an impossibility. It's what separates US, Britain, Japan, China, Russia, etc from the likes of india.

India should be a major world power on par with the US, China, Russia, etc. But they are not. What they are is a pathetic member of their former colonial master's club. Unless that changes, india will never change.

Re:U.S. Tech Giants Bet Big on India, and Now It’s Changing ... by triceratops on Thursday December 26, 2019 @11:58PM (#21889316)
If you can't understand the difference between a social gathering and an actual empire, I don't think there's much left to discuss.