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Re:Boeing CEO ousted as 737 Max crisis deepens by SkyMarshal on Monday December 23, 2019 @01:46PM (#21866000)
> I'm sure in 1982, the Johnson & Johnson CEO was also "being fed a diet of wrong and horrible information from lower executives keen on deflecting blame so that they could keep their jobs".

This is not necessarily a given. In the Tylenol case an external saboteur was to blame, so little or no internal CYA was necessary. Easy and correct for everyone to just blame it on the saboteur and then do the right thing to fix the problem.

In the Boeing case the culprit was internal, which likely resulted in a tangled web of CYA, leading to a diet of wrong and horrible information.

Not excusing Boeing, they acted wrongly. But it’s clear how and why the odds of bad corporate behavior were much higher in Boeing’s case than in J&J’s case.

Re:Boeing CEO ousted as 737 Max crisis deepens by panarky on Monday December 23, 2019 @03:03PM (#21866807)
Many argued at the time that J&J was at fault because their packaging wasn't sealed or tamper-evident.

If J&J had behaved like Boeing, they would have blamed the saboteur, blamed law enforcement, and blamed retailers while gradually and secretly fixing the packaging problem before regulators could force them to do it.

If Boeing had behaved like J&J, they would have taken immediate responsibility, voluntarily grounded the entire fleet even before all the causes were known, and put passenger safety first.

Re:Boeing CEO ousted as 737 Max crisis deepens by Litmus2336 on Monday December 23, 2019 @03:30PM (#21867086)
>Many argued at the time that J&J was at fault because their packaging wasn't sealed or tamper-evident.

Do you have a citation for that? I don't doubt it's possible but I've never heard it. As far as I know no major pain medications had tamper resistant seals at that point in history.

I've read a lot about this (being from Chicago myself) and do not believe you're representing it correctly. J&J took responsibility insomuch as they pioneered tamper resistant packaging, but they very clearly blamed a saboteur. The initial allegation was that Tylenol was unsafe. J&J successfully re-spun it, correctly, as an external terrorist poisoning their medication. And, to their credit, they did a great job making future Tylenol very safe.

But the bottom line is that these two incidents are very different. In J&J's case they were not at fault. In Boeing's case they were.

Info taken from https://www.ou.edu/deptcomm/dodjcc/groups/02C2/Johnson%20&%2...