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Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by Animats on Saturday December 21, 2019 @08:44PM (#21854576)
Automated sorting works fine. The newer recycling plants need no human pickers. It's not the robotics startups that are the ones to watch. It's companies like Bulk Handling Systems, from Oregon, which integrates different kinds of machines into a recycling line where mixed junk comes in one end and bales of useful stuff come out the other. They view the robotic grabbers as "automated quality control units". The mechanical and air systems do most of the separation; the robots just grab stuff that was mis-sorted by the other systems.

The main vision systems are now fast enough that sorters work by moving objects on a wide, fast belt where they go flying off the end. While in flight, multispectral cameras look at the objects, using both reflected and transmitted light, and within milliseconds trigger air jets to blow items in the desired direction. Most robotics videos from startups are sped up because the thing is so slow. The ones from commercially successful sorting companies are slowed down so you can see what's happening.

The problem is what to do with the sorted stuff. It's just not very valuable. It's possible to recycle plastic bottles all the way back to more plastic bottles. A huge plant near LA does this for most of southern California. States that charge a recycling fee for containers can handle it, but those that don't...

Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by mc32 on Sunday December 22, 2019 @01:01AM (#21855519)
It’s the economics.

So they can sort things well. It means they can put them in a dump neatly. Most things that get put into recycling don’t make economic sense to recycle -except aluminum and some other metals.

Most plastics under cheap (but still uneconomic) recycling suffer from heat history and becomes less useful.

Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by beowulfey on Sunday December 22, 2019 @06:55AM (#21856677)
That’s where the reduce/reuse part of the old term comes into play. Recycling was never meant to be the end-all solution. We need to reduce use of waste that is NOT easily recycled (plastics) and focus on using materials that are (metals, glass)
Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by NeedMoreTea on Sunday December 22, 2019 @09:32AM (#21857285)
Quite. Recycling was supposed to catch the little we couldn't reuse. When recycling points first started cropping up it was still common to return glass bottles for refill, and get a deposit back.

As recycling has grown, reuse has almost completely died out, and one time plastic has replaced most of those former deposit-return items.

Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by xvilka on Saturday December 21, 2019 @11:01PM (#21855094)
There is quite interesting Israeli startup Ubq[1] claiming it can recycle [2] greasy plastics into the material usable for further plastics manufacturing.

[1] https://www.ubqmaterials.com/

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/climate-solutio...

Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by swiley on Saturday December 21, 2019 @11:37PM (#21855208)
It’s not hard to come up with a process that can recycle anything organic into any petrochemical via Fischer Tropsch. What’s difficult is doing it economically.
Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by gamblor956 on Sunday December 22, 2019 @01:14AM (#21855561)
They claim to be able to do it economically.
Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by GeoffIsTheBest on Sunday December 22, 2019 @12:55PM (#21858544)
I was part of a software project for BHS several years ago. We were taking the cad models for a entire plant and rendering them in the web with info/marketing media for each module. The speed that they could sort material at different stages was incredible. I don't remember seeing a single "robotic arm" picking anything. It was all air and mechanical sorting. Very cool stuff. They should have videos of most their modules on their site for the curious.
Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by Animats on Sunday December 22, 2019 @05:16PM (#21860022)
The first recycling robot was installed only three years ago.[1] There's been considerable progress since then. BHS is now installing and reselling the MAX-AI robotic picker, which seems to be a recent addition to their product line. This is out of the experimental stage and in use at high-volume sites. Expensive up front, about $200K each and $160K for installation and integration. Each one replaces about 2 people, plus the robots can run 2 or 3 shifts, so payback time is maybe 3 years.

There are some VC-funded companies in this area, but the vision/AI part is pretty much solved. It's getting the mechanical systems to be robust enough in a very dirty environment that's hard.

The big insight is that most of the separation has to be done by cheaper processes operating on the bulk material stream. The robotic system is just to pull out stuff that didn't get sorted correctly by screens, drums, shakers, magnets, blowers, and vision-based air jet sorters. An all-robot system is too slow and too expensive, but quality control robots for getting from 5% contamination to 0.5% contamination are cost-effective. Here's a good video of the whole process.[2] 70 tons an hour.

That makes it possible to get contamination levels down to China's new standards and the ones of US plants which can use the stuff. "Because of China's voracious appetite for all types of U.S. scrap exports over the past 20 years, MRFs "had the luxury of being able to sell the mixed rigid plastics [and] mixed paper without a lot of sorting and quality control." ... "Some materials are up in price … PET is actually increasing. It's a supply and demand thing," Butler said. "For the most part, if you can separate that material, there are domestic markets for that right now."[3]

So, in the recycling industry, some are whining about China's policies and others are fixing the problem, shipping products, and making money. It's small and medium sized cities that can't keep up. The big cities have big plants with multiple 70 ton per hour processing lines with the machinery running 2 shifts a day, and direct deals with companies that can use the plastics, metals, etc. A small town doesn't generate enough recycling to do that, and trucking unsorted material long distances is too expensive.

[1] https://resource-recycling.com/recycling/2019/05/07/how-recy...

[2] https://youtu.be/4FpsH_ETT7c

[3] https://www.wastedive.com/news/china-contamination-standard-...

Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by GeoffIsTheBest on Sunday December 22, 2019 @08:49PM (#21860938)
Very insightful and cool to hear about new tech making it into the MRFs. I was impressed back in~2014 so I bet there are way neater techniques now days.
Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by PSZD on Sunday December 22, 2019 @03:23PM (#21859405)
Mechanical sorting (like shoe sorters) is very effective for discrete objects. Really cool to see stuff flying down a belt at 20mph+, get scanned/imaged from all sides, then thrown down one of 50 chutes without stopping.
Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by skybrian on Sunday December 22, 2019 @09:32AM (#21857283)
Do you have any sources on how well automated sorting works?

I'm wondering what happens when people put random junk in the recycling bin because it's allegedly recyclable.

Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by CydeWeys on Sunday December 22, 2019 @09:42AM (#21857330)
That random junk ends up being sorted out and thrown away. There are some particular things that cause recycling spoilage, but random junk generally does not.
Re:Recycling Rethink: What to Do with Trash Now China Won’t ... by pfdietz on Sunday December 22, 2019 @01:04PM (#21858597)
Even some metals have to be sorted. For example, you don't want to mix some different aluminum alloys, since the presence of some alloying elements precludes some uses of the recycled metal.