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Re:Boeing Starliner updates: Spacecraft flies into wrong orb... by bufferoverflow on Friday December 20, 2019 @12:58PM (#21846019)
> Since the orbital dynamics are very well understood and there really isn't anything that can affect the motion of the spacecraft other than engine burns

This is wrong.

1) Atmospheric drag (unless you're in really high orbits)

2) Wind

3) Uneven gravitational field. Our planet is not a perfect sphere. The moon is even less so.

4) Solar pressure (though very minor and kinda evens out in orbit).

Re:Boeing Starliner updates: Spacecraft flies into wrong orb... by hgoel on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:54PM (#21846505)
The unevenness of the gravitational field on Earth is for the most part ignorable. It isn't like maneuvers are precise enough that one could account for it in the calculations anyway.

Space is empty enough and engines imprecise enough that for orbital stuff you have enough margins to correctly predict and plan a trajectory ahead of time, and just do correction burns later if necessary.

On the Moon the gravitational field is indeed uneven enough to matter, but exactly one orbiter really cares about it (LRO iirc has a specific orbit where the unevenness mostly cancels out), most simply rely on occasional station keeping burns.

Re:Boeing Starliner updates: Spacecraft flies into wrong orb... by beering on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:38PM (#21846402)
Which of these can't you calculate ahead of the launch? Numbers 1, 3, and 4 seem like you could calculate it ahead of time. And maybe number 2 as well, if you do it relatively close to launch time.
Re:Boeing Starliner updates: Spacecraft flies into wrong orb... by nategri on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:47PM (#21846459)
They use models. No model is perfect, they all have uncertainties.
Re:Boeing Starliner updates: Spacecraft flies into wrong orb... by entropicdrifter on Friday December 20, 2019 @02:43PM (#21846815)
Which is why they use pilots too
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Re:Boeing Starliner updates: Spacecraft flies into wrong orb... by magduf on Friday December 20, 2019 @04:45PM (#21847636)
I'll name two things: 1) Government pay 2) Government shutdowns

But regardless, this was a Boeing spacecraft; it wasn't built by NASA (NASA generally does systems engineering; contractors build things like this).

Re:Boeing Starliner updates: Spacecraft flies into wrong orb... by dgoodell on Friday December 20, 2019 @05:44PM (#21848045)
A government shutdown is a basically surprise paid vacation, as long as you have enough cash to skip a couple paychecks.