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Re:Airplanes and Accounting Games: The Coming Boeing Collapse? by foldr on Friday December 20, 2019 @05:13AM (#21842962)
No need. The plane is perfectly flyable without MCAS. It just handles differently to other 737s in parts of the flight envelope.
Re:Airplanes and Accounting Games: The Coming Boeing Collapse? by sokoloff on Friday December 20, 2019 @08:00AM (#21843807)
There is a legal need (to pass 25.173 requirements). The Max doesn't have MCAS because it feels different from another 737; it has MCAS because it feels different from the legal requirement to certify any civilian transport aircraft.
Re:Airplanes and Accounting Games: The Coming Boeing Collapse? by jsjohnst on Friday December 20, 2019 @08:12AM (#21843880)
> has MCAS because it feels different from the legal requirement to certify any civilian transport aircraft

Source for that claim?

I’ve read extensively on the topic and have internal Boeing sources and everything I’ve seen says MCAS was needed to maintain the type rating, not that without MCAS the plane wasn’t airworthy.

Re:Airplanes and Accounting Games: The Coming Boeing Collapse? by sokoloff on Friday December 20, 2019 @09:40AM (#21844444)
25.173.a requires the aircraft to meet this section at speeds as low as the minimum speed for steady unstalled flight.

25.173.c requires the stick force curve to have a stable and minimum slope of 1 lbf/6 knots.

At high angles of attack (low speeds), the stick force reduces slightly as compared to lower angles of attack (higher speeds). This requires a negative slope at a point on the stick force curve, violating both the minimum slope and the stable slope requirement of 25.173. (indirect source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-boeings-737-max-failed-1155... ). They couch it as "pushes the nose up" (though the image cited is dual sourced to Boeing and a WSJ graphics author, so I'll wager that "pushes the nose up" is WSJ content rather than Boeing content).

Re:Airplanes and Accounting Games: The Coming Boeing Collapse? by foldr on Friday December 20, 2019 @08:26AM (#21843931)
I've never seen the claim regarding 25.173 properly sourced.
Re:Airplanes and Accounting Games: The Coming Boeing Collapse? by sokoloff on Friday December 20, 2019 @06:12PM (#21848215)
Don't know if any of these will satisfy or not, in advance of a final NTSB/FAA/Boeing finalization/post-mortem (I doubt all the internal docs are ever going to come out, of course):

http://newsinflight.com/2019/03/29/what-causes-boeing-737max...

https://abnormaldistribution.org/index.php/2019/04/30/ieee-s...

https://www.quora.com/Does-the-fact-that-the-pilots-of-the-7...

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4286602-boeing-737-max-misc...