> If people were serious about pollution, they'd boycott China and India.
You can't do that since the 70s, virtually everything you touch was manufactured or altered abroad. You can't have a globalized capitalist world AND tell people to boycott products from the so called "factory of the world". Reminds me of all these people posting "eh look, all the most polluting rivers are outside of the US, it's not my problem, fuck them" from a made in china iphone, while sipping an Ecuadorian coffee from a made in china starbucks cup, wearing a made in Thailand shirt and a Vietnamese pair of jeans.
> more interested in the anti-capitalist part than they are the pollution part.
It might be hard to swallow but hear me out: what if these two things are correlated ? capitalism/globalism put economical profit above all else with little to no regards for long term side effects. It's an endless and boundless quest for "progress", consumption and growth, there is no notion of limit, the long term plans are for the next 15 years, not the next 1500 years, &c.
> For example, the pollution generated in the United States has been significantly declining without resorting to mob-rule collective action.
What about the pollution generated to produce what Americans consume ? It's easy to delocalize everything to Asia and point the finger. Remember: capitalism -> global economy-> global problems
> Why is it the United States that is in the crosshairs of every environmental group?
I think you're projecting, as far as I know most environmental parties are protesting locally in their home country. If you're and American living in the US I would encourage you to check international news. It really is the same thing in every developed countries.
Also, when will we stop with the "everything I disagree with must be fascism ?" I love how the current quasi-forced consumerism is accepted, and even loved, but being "forced" to better the planet for _ourselves_ is Mao level fascism.
And here is the crux of the problem, you'll be long dead before Life gets impacted by climate change. That's why a lot of people simply don't care.
> every 12 years or so people warn us about the end of the world in 12 years
You have to make a distinction between Nostradamus&co and science though, everything isn't equal. It might be blown out of proportion but we don't know how far we fucked up yet because earth climate is complex, duh, and composed of an infinite amount of codependent variables. You might be interested in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_feedback and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_points_in_the_climate_...
> If people were serious about pollution, they'd boycott China and India.
You can't do that since the 70s, virtually everything you touch was manufactured or altered abroad. You can't have a globalized capitalist world AND tell people to boycott products from the so called "factory of the world". Reminds me of all these people posting "eh look, all the most polluting rivers are outside of the US, it's not my problem, fuck them" from a made in china iphone, while sipping an Ecuadorian coffee from a made in china starbucks cup, wearing a made in Thailand shirt and a Vietnamese pair of jeans.
> more interested in the anti-capitalist part than they are the pollution part.
It might be hard to swallow but hear me out: what if these two things are correlated ? capitalism/globalism put economical profit above all else with little to no regards for long term side effects. It's an endless and boundless quest for "progress", consumption and growth, there is no notion of limit, the long term plans are for the next 15 years, not the next 1500 years, &c.
> For example, the pollution generated in the United States has been significantly declining without resorting to mob-rule collective action.
What about the pollution generated to produce what Americans consume ? It's easy to delocalize everything to Asia and point the finger. Remember: capitalism -> global economy-> global problems
> Why is it the United States that is in the crosshairs of every environmental group?
I think you're projecting, as far as I know most environmental parties are protesting locally in their home country. If you're and American living in the US I would encourage you to check international news. It really is the same thing in every developed countries.
Also, when will we stop with the "everything I disagree with must be fascism ?" I love how the current quasi-forced consumerism is accepted, and even loved, but being "forced" to better the planet for _ourselves_ is Mao level fascism.