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Re:Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Un... by belorn on Thursday December 19, 2019 @04:00AM (#21833202)
I can just point to Sweden. The meaning of prostitution has change in the public discussed to be the same as rape, regardless of consent. Being pro-prostitution here is the same as being pro-rape which is very anti-feminist in eye of the Swedish public and people with such views are seen as far-right.

The two arguments that people here use is that a person that do sex for money would not had done so voluntary, thus there no consent. The second argument is that paying a person to do something with their body is the same as buying a human being, which would be slavery.

Re:Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Un... by misnome on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:13AM (#21833860)
How do either of the arguments not apply to every single job or task that anyone does for renumeration? I would not do my job without being paid, therefore I am being forced to work against my will?
Re:Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Un... by afarrell on Thursday December 19, 2019 @10:56AM (#21835983)
I have seen multiple feminists make the argument that the phrase "selling their bodies" also applies to football players, chemical workers[1], coal miners. I find it fairly persuasive.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edAxujKev1I

Re:Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Un... by Gunax on Thursday December 19, 2019 @11:29AM (#21836347)
I would not suggest applying logic to most political positions.

Views are formed in the gut, not the brain.

People are against prostitution because they find it disgusting. Their justifications are all ex post facto.

And this applies to most views, including ones I hold (although that's difficult to admit).

Re:Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Un... by Ma8ee on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:16AM (#21833875)
> The meaning of prostitution has change in the public discussed to be the same as rape, regardless of consent.

As a Swede, I say that that is an exageration. But it is true that very few, if any, public figure dare to speak up for legalizing prostitution. On the other hand, it's not a crime that the police prioritize, and last time I heard, no one have been more than fined for paying a sex-worker.

Re:Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Un... by belorn on Thursday December 19, 2019 @07:36AM (#21834322)
When the RFSL and Amnesty made their announcement to work for legalization there was a lot of media focus on the question. There was a lot of anger from people and articles about people leaving Amnesty and the Swedish branch making statement against the decision.

It was also not many months ago that V (the most left leaning party) suggested that the punishment for paying a sex-worker should be increased to similar levels as rape, with jail time as minimum.

We could say that V views are a fringe part of the feminist movement in Sweden, but I am not sure that is actually a correct assessment. As you say, few, if any, public figure dare to speak up with opposing views on the topic. It is hard to estimate popular opinion outside of political polls.

Re:Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Un... by imtringued on Thursday December 19, 2019 @07:49AM (#21834418)
>The second argument is that paying a person to do something with their body is the same as buying a human being, which would be slavery.

Being compensated for your work is the extreme opposite of slavery.

Re:Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Un... by DyslexicAtheist on Thursday December 19, 2019 @05:31AM (#21833628)
> I can just point to Sweden. The meaning of prostitution has change in the public discussed to be the same as rape

is this really representative of how the public thinks or just a small pocket within a pocket of politically correct snowflakes? Knowing plenty of Swedes (most are much closer to the far left than to the far right). I'm familiar with Sweden's (strange) view of what constitutes rape (see Assange), and personally think that is a step forward. But I never met anyone argue that "all prostitution is sex slavery" or "anti-feminist".

> paying a person to do something with their body is the same as buying a human being, which would be slavery.

This seems like a gross simplification. If I offer my body in exchange for money without a middle-man/pimp then it is still my choice. Consider an individual with below avg IQ unable to find meaningful work using his head but equipped with an unusually strong body/frame. Is it slavery if I freelance myself out to a moving company and lug around boxes and furniture all day? What about a male gay prostitute who voluntarily makes money on the side. It is even besides the point if the person is supporting a drug-habit or not.

You can't pretend to be pro choice and feminist if at the same time the system under which you think socially outcasts everyone who thinks differently.

Re:Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Un... by Ma8ee on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:20AM (#21833900)
I don't think it is representative of the public's view. See my other comment.

I think the problem with many feminists in Sweden are that they are a rather theoretical kind, centered around gender studies at the universities. And they think that they know better than the poor uneducated women who sell sex what they want and need themselves.

Re:Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Un... by wruza on Thursday December 19, 2019 @05:27AM (#21833591)
>paying a person to do something with their body is the same as buying a human being, which would be slavery

Just make a law so that persons must do something with payers bodies, not vice versa. It solves two problems with one shot: it’s no slavery anymore and finally you get some service.