Re:Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new glo...
by JamesBarney on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @11:54PM
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I think he means based on the size of the effect it's unlikely to be a placebo.
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Re:Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new glo...
by dhshahsndeisjwn on Thursday December 19, 2019 @05:50AM
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right, but 50% of the effect of opiates is placebo, so we shouldn't be too surprised. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11207392
Re:Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new glo...
by JamesBarney on Thursday December 19, 2019 @12:39PM
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Placebo's effect on pain is one of if not the largest placebo effect, but the effect size on sleep is much smaller.
Re:Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new glo...
by mewpmewp2 on Thursday December 19, 2019 @02:30AM
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Well the reasoning was pointing towards high chance of placebo though. He said there was lots of grime and also something he could measure was different, which means psychologically a lot greater chance and effect for placebo.
Re:Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new glo...
by sandoooo on Thursday December 19, 2019 @05:42AM
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I don't think that's how it works. In the hypothetical world where he reports no grime on filters and no difference in readings yet his sleep is better, would you predict lower chance of placebo?
Re:Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new glo...
by mewpmewp2 on Friday December 20, 2019 @03:30AM
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That is actually a great thought experiment.
Re:Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new glo...
by civilian on Thursday December 19, 2019 @02:29AM
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A treatment being a placebo implies nothing about the effect size!
Re:Depression and suicide linked to air pollution in new glo...
by JamesBarney on Thursday December 19, 2019 @03:09AM
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Most placebo effects are modest and the ones that aren't are usually mixed in with regression to the mean effects(which are usually pretty modest). So OP is implying that if an effect is especially large it's less likely to be placebo.