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by chillwaves on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @08:04PM
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That explanation would be more credible if Jefferson did not impregnate one of his slaves.
Hypocrisy of deed is not covered up by some fig leaf of convenient belief systems.
Wikipedia says he fathered 6 children with her. Do you honestly believe that he thought dark complexion was some seriously different subhuman race?
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by bobbylarrybobby on Thursday December 19, 2019 @12:43AM
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Do you think horses don’t know that donkeys aren’t horses? And yet they can and do create mules. I imagine that’s how Jefferson felt; after all, there is a derogatory term for mixed race people that begins with “mule”.
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by NotSammyHagar on Thursday December 19, 2019 @01:16AM
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We see exactly this kind of thing today. Think about certain political statements to the effect that "immigrants are horrible people and we should keep them out. if we had more immigration it would be horrible". <today they mean it's bad, not in the past>. "But when my forefathers came here, it was different, we were good people <white you mean?>, our forefathers did all this great stuff. immigrants today are not like that". So it's clear this willful lying to yourself is still going on.
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by Erlich_Bachman on Thursday December 19, 2019 @02:18AM
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Comparing slavery to any critique of immigration (often about illegal immigration!, not any immigration) is surely a stretch. I am sure there is some non-zero number of individuals who think about some races like slaves still, but it is nowhere near the public mainstream.
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by greedo on Thursday December 19, 2019 @12:00PM
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I have come to the sad conclusion that overestimating the amount of racism is the safest course of thought. It's my obviously anecdotal experience, but I'm continually amazed how many of the people I come in contact with hold racist views.
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by jpster on Thursday December 19, 2019 @09:16AM
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> there are significant racial differences between slaves and people, and the same rules do not apply to white ones as to black ones because they are not the same species, they do not have the same brains/possibilities/rights/etc. Just like they did not grant any freedom to animals or trees.
Personally, I find it hard to believe that Southern whites, who lived in such close proximity to their slaves, actually believed this. It sounds like convenient bullshit that you would try to tell yourself in order to justify what you are doing. You see these people everyday, you speak to them, you own generations of them, and they raise generations of your own children in your house (mammies). Of course you would see enough to know that they are the same species and every bit as human as you are.
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by Erlich_Bachman on Thursday December 19, 2019 @03:48PM
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Which is why slavery was abolished in the end. But it doesn't happen in a day.
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by Ididntdothis on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @05:42PM
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Sorry, from whatever I have read so far they knew exactly what they were doing and knew slavery was a terrible thing.
Isn't it pretty clear and straight-forward? It was based on the beliefs (regardless of the degree to which you might think from your perspective that those beliefs accurately represent reality or not) that many people held back then that there are significant racial differences between slaves and people, and the same rules do not apply to white ones as to black ones because they are not the same species, they do not have the same brains/possibilities/rights/etc. Just like they did not grant any freedom to animals or trees.
However much one might disagree with the basic premise of the racist argument, it does not make it a hypocricy freedom-wise. If someone was holding these racist beliefs in this past USA (and many of them did) - they could very well believe in freedom of all people, and at the same time not consider the slaves "people" based on their racist beliefs that there are actual important and significat differences between those races.
Just because someone treats someone else badly doesn't automatically make it a hypocricy, the world is just more complicated than that and there are plenty of examples of violence or exploitation being based on well established logical thought systems or even ethical (from the point of view of the exploiter) beliefs. And this is important because if you want to make a change in a society, you might benefit from understanding how that society actually thinks and what ideology is behind it. Just calling it a hypocricy is not good enough.