Re:Judge dismisses Wikimedia case against NSA over Upstream ...
by threatofrain on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @01:52PM
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HN thinks about hiring and pipeline processes which lead to signal in orgs, but little about the US justice system seems to inspire faith that they are up to the task of promoting their best to the judicial hierarchy. Instead we should expect that the best legal minds are consultants for corporations.
Re:Judge dismisses Wikimedia case against NSA over Upstream ...
by corndoge on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @02:40PM
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I read that quote as Ellis siding with El-Masri (notwithstanding that he still ruled invocation of state secrets as valid) - how do you read it?
Re:Judge dismisses Wikimedia case against NSA over Upstream ...
by auiya on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @02:52PM
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I read it the same way, and I don't see how one would read it any other way? Removing the qualifiers -
"If El-Masri's allegations are true [..], then all fair-minded people[..], must also agree that El-Masri has suffered injuries as a result of our country's mistake and deserves a remedy."
Re:Judge dismisses Wikimedia case against NSA over Upstream ...
by monocasa on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @05:23PM
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The quote there is just the recognition by him that the CIA committed crimes. The context of the rest of the decision still finding for the CIA is the half that you're missing.
Re:Judge dismisses Wikimedia case against NSA over Upstream ...
by kick on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @02:44PM
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He knows the CIA did something illegal, but is protecting them. If a mafia member shoots an innocent man, and a judge says "I feel bad for the guy, but the mafia is good for this city, so no can do; yunz are screwed!" it's fairly obvious what's happening.
He's preventing criminals from feeling the consequences of the law because of perceived value.
Re:Judge dismisses Wikimedia case against NSA over Upstream ...
by corndoge on Thursday December 19, 2019 @02:38AM
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No, he's upholding the law, whether he agrees with it or not, which is his job. A judge's job is to adjudicate based on the law and he adjudicated that states secrets was lawfully invoked.
Re:Judge dismisses Wikimedia case against NSA over Upstream ...
by kick on Thursday December 19, 2019 @01:37PM
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The Constitution comes before every other law, and allowing the Constitution to be waived is against his job.
"Thus, the case must be dismissed, and judgment must be entered in favor of defendants."
Ellis is a traitor in the legal sense of the word, and (though it's been obvious for a while) the court systems are broken.
Formerly, Ellis has similarly sided with the CIA against Khalid El-Masri, a man who was "allegedly" tortured by the CIA, despite being fully aware justice wasn't being dealt. To quote him:
"If El-Masri's allegations are true or essentially true, then all fair-minded people, including those who believe that state secrets must be protected, that this lawsuit cannot proceed, and that renditions are a necessary step to take in this war, must also agree that El-Masri has suffered injuries as a result of our country's mistake and deserves a remedy."
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/day-court-denied-victim-...
Given that the Judicial Branch can be considered compromised, the Executive Branch is the one being accused, and the Legislative Branch allowed this to happen to begin with, everyone should act as if the U.S. government is a hostile, compromised actor. Don't attack it, but defend yourself.
Avoid allowing proprietary software from touching any of your secrets (ideally go for software created by foreigners). Keep your communications safe and encrypted. Standard stuff, but there's more of an incentive to use it, now.