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Re:Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years? by TrackerFF on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @09:09PM (#21821110)
Absolutely.

I went to a small no-name school for my engineering degree, where people didn't give two sh!ts about prestige or band names. Most of my class-mates ended up with above-normal paying jobs in small companies, and the rest at big multinational companies.

Then I got my MBA at a top school, and the culture was completely different. The majority seemed to be driven go-getters, viewing the job market / their careers as go big or go home.

They usually follow the safe bets, and flavor of the decade - which right now happens to be tech.

Re:Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years? by cylinder on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @11:28PM (#21821804)
reflects poorly on FAANG hiring practices more than anything. how are they not sniffing the phonies out?
Re:Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years? by TrackerFF on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @07:04AM (#21824023)
You need to remember that a lot (probably the majority) of these people have been overachievers since they were kids. Pushed by their family, mentors, etc.

They know that in order to get to the top, you need to play the game - it's exceedingly rare that one just stumbles into the top, by intellect alone. There are tons of smart kids out there, you need some edge.

So they pick up extracurricular activities, join clubs and boards, start making a name for themselves. Get letters of recommendation, and what not.

Now they're suddenly students at top schools, with like-minded peers around. They start chasing internships, and it's the same thing all over again. Join the best clubs / orgs, get leadership experience, etc.

For these driven "type-A" folk, it's always about hitting the next milestone. It never ends. Get into best prep schools, get into best universities, get the best internships, get the best jobs, get into the best business school, get the best post-MBA job, get the best promotion, etc.

It's like a professor told me once: Some of the brightest students, academically speaking, do not necessarily end up with the best jobs or positions. A lot of them tend to be too focused on their academic work, to the point where they neglect things like resume-building, networking, interviewing skills, etc.

Re:Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years? by mdorazio on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @11:40PM (#21821853)
The "phonies" are good at interviewing and do well on the non-technical aspects of the jobs. Also a fair portion of top positions at FAANGs have long since been populated by MBA holders, so there are built-in network effects and biases at play.
Re:Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years? by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @01:10AM (#21822300)
They are not phones, it's been drilled into them that's just how life works.
Re:Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years? by nuclear_eclipse on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @12:45AM (#21822187)
"Elite" schools literally have classes devoted entirely to teaching students how to pass FAANG level interviews.
Re:Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years? by hrishid on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @06:12AM (#21823778)
What are you referring to? I go to an “elite” school and haven’t heard of anything like this.
Re:Ask HN: CS, still a good career in 3-5 years? by askafriend on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @01:18AM (#21822331)
They're not phonies. Just high achieving opportunists.