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Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by tehjoker on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:13PM (#21815748)
Workers need to be willing to break the law in order to win victories against the people that make the laws. Employers aren't even the law, this is such a small thing and is defensible. I don't see a reason to side with Google at all, if they really vociferously disagreed, they could ask her to remove the notification.
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by ThrowawayR2 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @11:13PM (#21821713)
> "Workers need to be willing to break the law in order to win victories against the people that make the laws..."

Like most of the general public, I have no desire to associate with criminals. If you build your union on a foundation of illegal acts, there's no reason for anyone to believe you'll stop once it gets fully established. Existing unions in the United States provide ample proof of that.

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by tehjoker on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @11:25PM (#21821782)
When workers organize and attempt to make demands greater than than the bosses are willing accede to, the bosses call in the police, private security, and depending on the political climate, right wing street fighters to start cracking heads. For a famous example of a dual power situation consider the 1934 Minneapolis teamsters' strike.

https://teamster.org/about/teamster-history/1934

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by ThrowawayR2 on Wednesday December 18, 2019 @12:11AM (#21822005)
Even setting aside the obvious "Two wrongs do not make a right" response, if you have to cite history from 3/4 of a century ago, well...good luck persuading people with that. On the other hand, the public can easily find news stories of major corruption and criminal involvement by unions for each of the past few decades.

(Oh, and by the way, the Teamsters, whose site you linked to, figure prominently in quite a number of those news stories. There really isn't a better example I can think of of why "Workers need to be willing to break the law in order to win victories against the people that make the laws..." goes down a bad path than them. The Wikipedia article for them contains the word "corrupt" 31 times.)

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by tehjoker on Thursday December 19, 2019 @01:25AM (#21832480)
Ok boomer.
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by ThrowawayR2 on Thursday December 19, 2019 @11:20AM (#21836244)
> "Ok boomer."

That's the cleverest counterargument you could manage?

I choose to interpret that, as most readers will, as conceding to my arguments.

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by ajross on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @12:54PM (#21816342)
> Workers need to be willing to break the law in order to win victories against the people that make the laws.

Not if they want to win, they don't. Anarchism won nothing at the turn of the century. Organized (note the adjective!) Labor broke through when it became a political movement with representation in government.

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:16PM (#21816667)
Asserting rights you don't have means breaking the law by definition, and it has always been that way - from civil rights movement to the revolution.
Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by ajross on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:28PM (#21816827)
Sorry, what? They have the right to unionize. The whole issue at hand is that the employee put a notice of that legal right into an employer tool. What rights do these people not have that you're thinking of?

Look, the point here is that if you want to win a unionization fight (which is a legal victory, it will happen in courts and with contracts) you have to fight using legal tools. Pulling anarchist tricks like this just makes you feel better, it does nothing but make management's position stronger.

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @03:41PM (#21818569)
I mean sure, my comment was far too pompous, but calling this anarchism is silly.

If we leave rhetoric aside, what she's done is the equivalent of sending a leaflet or putting up a poster on company property. That's not strictly 'proper', but life does not happen in courtrooms. You actually have talk to people, let them know what's happening, organise, etc. Courtroom is where the fight is settled in it's last stages.

Re:Engineer says Google fired her for notifying co-workers o... by tehjoker on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @11:31PM (#21821819)
You should comply with laws that are justifiable and not with laws that are unjustifiable and represent petty authoritarianism. The working class can tell the difference. I 100% agree that organized resistance is key. Individualized resistance just earns a beat down.

I disagree that only rights granted by courts are effective in winning labor struggles. Strikes, legal or not, are required for advancing labor's cause.

This worker was attempting to organize her colleagues in an extremely tame way. There was no property damage. We should show our unadulterated support to embolden the working class.