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Re:WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream t... by Erlich_Bachman on Sunday December 15, 2019 @08:28AM (#21796113)
If that was true, they would be doing it without games - they would just be sitting there and chatting for example. But since they don't, it mostly means that for those streamers people would not have watched them without the game being played, so the question of whether the game or streamer is at 90% of value it quite open.
Re:WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream t... by sushibowl on Sunday December 15, 2019 @08:42AM (#21796158)
> If that was true, they would be doing it without games - they would just be sitting there and chatting for example.

This argument is flawed because 1) many streamers do exactly that, and 2) just because a streamer is not interesting when he's not playing a game doesn't mean that all the value is coming from the game. A juggler is not interesting without balls, does that mean it's the balls providing 90% of the value?

Given that:

* many streamers spend a substantial amount of their time just sitting and chatting with viewers, no game being played.

* if it was the game providing the value, you could just show a recorded playthrough without a streamer there to interact with the viewers, but this is not very popular.

* many streamers can play any game at all and draw a large viewership, but there are no games that any person can just start streaming and easily draw a large viewership

It seems fairly clear to me that the streamer contributes much more value to a livestream than the game being played.

Re:WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream t... by panic on Sunday December 15, 2019 @08:35AM (#21796129)
"Just Chatting" is so popular on Twitch there's an entire category for it: https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Just%20Chatting
Re:WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream t... by Erlich_Bachman on Monday December 16, 2019 @04:01AM (#21801749)
Exactly, it is a different category with usually different people in it. And likely different people watching this category than the ones watching games.
Re:WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream t... by Mirioron on Sunday December 15, 2019 @11:37AM (#21797053)
And quite often it is the most popular category on the site.
Re:WoW streamer hires YouTubers who leeched off his stream t... by bradenb on Sunday December 15, 2019 @08:38AM (#21796137)
No. The games are just the common ground between the streamer and the audience. Remove the common ground and it's not as much fun. Sure, the streamer's personality might be sufficient for a video by itself, but I suspect both sides want the game there to serve as a vehicle for progressing the social interaction.