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Re:Ask HN: What's the current sentiment on JWT for stateless... by notyourday on Friday December 13, 2019 @11:32PM (#21787829)
Correct. I can assert a validity of the token without touching any database. Not only that, but the API does not even need to compute what it is. That's what makes it stateless.
Re:Ask HN: What's the current sentiment on JWT for stateless... by jakelazaroff on Friday December 13, 2019 @11:45PM (#21787877)
It’s not stateless, you’re just trading a database for “tags”. This is exactly the same as if you just placed a stateful authentication service that checks a database in front of your API. How do you think the CDN works?
Re:Ask HN: What's the current sentiment on JWT for stateless... by kelnos on Saturday December 14, 2019 @02:42AM (#21788337)
I guess the idea is that it's "stateless" in the sense that you don't have to maintain the state yourself, and the CDN will do it for you? I mean... okay, I guess the point of being stateless is that you don't want to deal with the scaling and reliability issues around storing state, so pushing that responsibility onto a third party (whose uptime is required to get to your site anyway) is "stateless" from your perspective.

I certainly wouldn't call that "stateless", but it does fulfill the main reason why you might want to be stateless, that you don't have to maintain any state yourself.

Re:Ask HN: What's the current sentiment on JWT for stateless... by jakelazaroff on Saturday December 14, 2019 @11:32AM (#21790311)
Exactly — it's basically the same as writing your own separate authentication service, or using Auth0/Cognito/Firebase.
Re:Ask HN: What's the current sentiment on JWT for stateless... by notyourday on Saturday December 14, 2019 @08:35AM (#21789429)
The reason why it is stateless is because there's no state associated with a token that I have to maintain.
Re:Ask HN: What's the current sentiment on JWT for stateless... by notyourday on Saturday December 14, 2019 @08:29AM (#21789411)
You do not maintain the tags. You compute the tags and you do not care what so ever if the tag ever matches anything.
Re:Ask HN: What's the current sentiment on JWT for stateless... by jakelazaroff on Saturday December 14, 2019 @10:18AM (#21789858)
It doesn’t matter who maintains them — the tags are still state. It may be stateless from your API’s perspective, but the system as a whole is still stateful.