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Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by thawaway1837 on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:11PM (#21783354)
Why is it so hard to find the name of the street I’m on in Google Maps. It often takes a minute or so of zooming and panning to reveal that.

It seems to me that Google Maps is far more focused on being a suggestion engine than a map now.

Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by leggomylibro on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:22PM (#21783466)
Yes, and this even happens with major highways! I'll be trying to pick a ~200-mile route, and I have to play zooming gymnastics just to see the difference between I-84 and I-95!

Okay, I should just know the difference with roads that big. And okay, generally East/West interstates use even numbers representing what % of the country lies to the South while North/South use odd numbers representing what % lies to the West. But I shouldn't have to know that when I'm wondering how to avoid the accident on "that big yellow stripe that passes through D.C."

Sometimes I'll use a mapping app designed for outdoors activities, because it is so much easier to read than Google Maps.

Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by amadeusw on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:29PM (#21783505)
I had no idea about the interstate numbering system. This is awesome to know, thanks.
Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by munificent on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:49PM (#21783684)
It's a cool system. The numeric rules are (though there are lots of exceptions):

* Primary interstates are one or two digits. Shorter spurs, loops, and connectors are three-digits.

* East-west primary interstates are even-numbered, north-south are odd.

* Major arterials are divisible by five. (The longest interstates are I-90, I-80, I-40, I-10, I-70, I-95, and I-75.)

* Odd routes increase in number going from west to east.

* Even routes increase in number from south to north.

* The last two digits of a three-digit interstate usually identify its main parent interstate. (For example, the I-310 spur connects I-10 to US 90.

Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by whyaduck on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:59PM (#21783768)
Even routes increase from south to north (e.g. I-10 runs through Arizona, I-90 runs through Washington).
Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by munificent on Friday December 13, 2019 @01:01PM (#21783786)
Oops, fixed.
Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by mynameisvlad on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:49PM (#21783688)
Another fun tidbit is that any 3-digit interstate is an auxiliary route of the 2/1-digit mainline. The first digit determines the type of route, with odd being a spur and even being a bypass or beltway. So I-405 is a bypass of I-5, and I-110 is a spur off I-10 connecting it to the Port of LA.
Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by wahern on Friday December 13, 2019 @08:28PM (#21787175)
I-110 is also a spur connecting I-10 to downtown Pensacola, FL, Biloxi, MS, and downtown Baton Rouge, LA.

And apparently there's a I-405 in Seattle. (All the I-110 spurs I've driven on.)

Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by lotsofpulp on Friday December 13, 2019 @01:00PM (#21783780)
> And okay, generally East/West interstates use even numbers representing what % of the country lies to the South while North/South use odd numbers representing what % lies to the West.

The idea that the highways are designed and numbered to represent the proportion of land area of the contiguous US seems specious. Source?

Edit: the interstate highway going north from Kansas City is 29, but obviously much more than 29% of the US is west of I-29.

Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by alexhutcheson on Friday December 13, 2019 @01:19PM (#21783966)
The semantics aren't exactly meant to be "% of land area", but they do represent a rough coordinate system[1], from (5, 8) in the SW corner of the contiguous US (San Diego) up to (95, 90) in Boston.

Interestingly, US highways follow the opposite system[2], going from (1, 2) in the NE corner of the country (Maine) to (former) (101, 80) in San Diego.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System#Numb...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Numbered_Highway...

Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by jimktrains2 on Friday December 13, 2019 @01:43PM (#21784177)
Those us routes came first and the interstates are purposely numbered backwards of it to avoid confusion.
Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by lotsofpulp on Friday December 13, 2019 @01:25PM (#21784011)
Numbering from west to East and south to north and using evens and odds to mean East-west and north-south makes sense.

But that doesn’t imply anything about proportion of country, however the measurement is defined.

Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by leggomylibro on Friday December 13, 2019 @01:56PM (#21784293)
Sure it's anecdotal, I just heard it from my parents as a kid.

And obviously it's not exact, just look at how close I-94/I-90 are around North Dakota and compare it to I-90/I-80 or I-80/I-70. And a lot of the "East-West" interstates go diagonally or even North-South in places.

But I doubt they made the roads by laying rulers across the map (except maybe in Kansas or Oklahoma), and it does seem like they generally increment from 0-100 in each direction with odd/evenness decided by the primary axis.

Wikipedia has a lot to say on the matter, but I got bored reading all the special cases like how they number loops that connect two highways: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System#Numb...

Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by aphextim on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:44PM (#21783645)
Thank you I had no idea how the numbers were chosen until now!
Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by v7p1Qbt1im on Friday December 13, 2019 @01:18PM (#21783950)
That‘s arguably what many people use it for, though.

Regarding the street names. I usually approach the service from these 2 directions:

- Address or name of place is known. I use Maps to find out where it is and how to get there.

- Trying to find places in a certain area (Laundry, restaurants, shops, etc)

Only very rarely do I need to know a street name specifically. Not saying it‘s not important for other people though.

Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by whlr on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:39PM (#21783600)
This also happens with rivers! It's incredibly annoying.
Re:Why Nukemap Isn't on Google Maps Anymore by sir_brickalot on Friday December 13, 2019 @02:19PM (#21784465)
Adding lake names to the problem.