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Re:We need to adopt a no-commute culture by gbrown on Thursday December 12, 2019 @10:54AM (#21772861)
> If you're in or adjacent to academe, you'll have to travel to conferences.

I really think we should be working to change this - conferences are huge wastes of resources IMHO. I usually see a handful of inspiring talks, which could just as easily have been delivered as webinars (which would also allow asynchronous viewing, involving a wider potential audience).

Then again, I'm antisocial and terrible at "networking", so those aspects of conferences don't really appeal to me.

Re:We need to adopt a no-commute culture by ghaff on Thursday December 12, 2019 @11:03AM (#21772981)
>Then again, I'm antisocial and terrible at "networking", so those aspects of conferences don't really appeal to me.

And, really, the "hallway track" is the value of going to conferences. For the most part, if someone just goes to a conference to sit in breakout sessions, they're probably better off just watching video of the sessions (if they were filmed) or a webinar version of the content.

Re:We need to adopt a no-commute culture by notacoward on Thursday December 12, 2019 @11:13AM (#21773111)
I love going to conferences, even though I'm an introvert - some would even say a misanthrope. I just need time to recharge afterward. But the fact that some people enjoy them is far outweighed by both the environmental harm and the exclusionary aspect of requiring such travel. We need to figure out how to replicate that energy and easy discovery of like-minded people online. Even as a 30+ year online native myself, I don't quite see it yet.
Re:We need to adopt a no-commute culture by ghaff on Thursday December 12, 2019 @11:21AM (#21773209)
Most people are social, even if they express it in different ways.

Virtual events are fine, as are watching videos. (In fact, for bigger events, I'll often watch the keynotes from my hotel room rather than packing myself into a room with 10,000 of my closest friends so I can watch the distant speaker projected on the screen.)

But it's a small subset of the experience of attending live.

Re:We need to adopt a no-commute culture by gbrown on Friday December 13, 2019 @01:15PM (#21783932)
Well put - that's exactly how I feel.
Re:We need to adopt a no-commute culture by acollins1331 on Thursday December 12, 2019 @11:05AM (#21773015)
It's a huge problem that makes the hypocrisy argument palpable when thousands of climate scientists fly across the world every year for conferences on climate change. Teleconferences should be a thing for nearly everyone but the presenters, but it'll never happen because of prestige and elitism.
Re:We need to adopt a no-commute culture by tharne on Thursday December 12, 2019 @11:20AM (#21773194)
This hypocrisy is a reoccurring issue with most people who favor coercive political solutions to problems instead of voluntary and cooperative ones.

When people make arguments like "taxes should be higher" or "air travel should be more expensive", they almost always mean "for other people".

People need to eat their own cooking or they instantly lose all credibility, even when the facts are on their side.

Re:We need to adopt a no-commute culture by icebraining on Thursday December 12, 2019 @11:28AM (#21773274)
No, they mean "for all", rather than just for the patsies sacrificing themselves so that others can just consume more.
Re:We need to adopt a no-commute culture by take_a_breath on Thursday December 12, 2019 @11:54AM (#21773564)
I'm not sure there is hypocrisy if they believe gathering together will ultimately lead to solutions that lower future carbon emissions.

It could be viewed as an investment in future lower emissions, the same way spending money on R&D today can improve profits in the future.

Even voluntary and cooperative solutions would benefit from the type of coordination an in-person conference affords.

Re:We need to adopt a no-commute culture by unionize on Thursday December 12, 2019 @11:50AM (#21773503)
Taxes aren’t coercive (unless you’re a Galt’s Gulch Randian, I suppose), and I’m sorry, but would you rather deal with driving a more efficient car or millions of immigrants trying desperately to escape drought, war, and famine after it’s too late? If climate change really is the looming disaster it seems to be (and I personally think we’re fucked), then yeah, sorry, governments might have to do some things you find unpleasant. That’s the price we pay for unfettered consumption for generations. It might be time to pay the piper.

Also, it’s really hard to live in the modern world without using fossil fuel-based comforts. You can criticize air travel and still travel to a climate conference. It doesn’t make climate change any less real. You can maybe argue that people are hypocrites, but so what? The ice caps don’t give a shit. And maybe that meeting of scientists in-person is what it takes to fix a really big global problem. Flying to Asia every year for a vacation definitely won’t do that, though.

Re:We need to adopt a no-commute culture by tharne on Thursday December 12, 2019 @01:59PM (#21775039)
I never argued that climate change isn't real or that nothing should be done about. My point was simply that when people behave in a hypocritical manner, they tend to lose all credibility even when they're right, and they hurt the credibility of those around them who are making the same argument. It's like an anti-halo effect.

Every Hollywood actor demanding we take action on climate change while flying around in a private jet weakens the argument for real action on climate change. It makes the issue look like a vanity cause even though it's not.

You see the same thing on taxes. You've got guys like Bernie Sanders out there demanding we all pay more taxes while he himself has a very low rate of charitable giving by most standards. He could also opt to voluntarily pay more taxes right now. Of course he doesn't, which again undercuts any broader point he may have.

Human beings are hardwired to be turned off by hypocrisy.