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Re:Vatican Uses Donations for the Poor to Plug Its Budget De... by jacquesm on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @05:56PM (#21767669)
The whole 'kirchensteur' thing has me pissed of to the nth degree. What other private entity has managed to get the government to do their subscriptions collection for them based on the amount the person earned? It's beyond ridiculous.

Churches should pay taxes, not use the government to levy their tithe as though it is a tax.

In Germany and a bunch of other EU countries this phenomenon exists as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax

The sooner this is abolished the better.

Re:Vatican Uses Donations for the Poor to Plug Its Budget De... by lopmotr on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @06:10PM (#21767784)
What's really wrong with that? The government already has the systems in place to collect tax so it sounds more efficient than trying to do it privately. In my country the tax system is also used to collect student loan repayments even though it's not tax, but it probably saves on administrative costs that way. Sure, student loans are also the government, not a private organization, but maybe it could be opened up to businesses as a way to collect recurring or income related payments! Imagine the accuracy of price discrimination you could achieve with access to that.
Re:Vatican Uses Donations for the Poor to Plug Its Budget De... by jacquesm on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @06:57PM (#21768096)
Separation of church and state is a thing.
Re:Vatican Uses Donations for the Poor to Plug Its Budget De... by iudqnolq on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @08:30PM (#21768557)
In some countries
Re:Vatican Uses Donations for the Poor to Plug Its Budget De... by gumby on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @06:15PM (#21767822)
In Germany at least you can opt out.

I was surprised and even shocked that when my mother in law was out of the hospital after cancer treatment the Diakonie (social welfare connected to protestant church and funded by those taxes) showed up twice a day to change her dressing, make sure she was fed and administered her meds. And she was not a churchgoer. Made a huge difference.

Despite that I still agree those taxes should't exist and also agree that no organizations should be exempt from taxation.

Re:Vatican Uses Donations for the Poor to Plug Its Budget De... by jacquesm on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @08:20PM (#21768511)
The cynic in me is suggesting that people that just had cancer treatment are excellent parties to be nice to on the off chance that they'll put you in their will, the optimist is happy that religion can show its good side every now and then.
Re:Vatican Uses Donations for the Poor to Plug Its Budget De... by tobias3 on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @06:07PM (#21767758)
What annoys me even more is that in Germany e.g. the wages of bishops are directly payed for by the state. Only priests and lower levels are payed via church taxes.

As usual it's a stupid historic thing dating back to 1803 and not one has touched it since (It is "compenstation" for a one-time transfer of church property to the states in compensation for France taking German territory).

Re:Vatican Uses Donations for the Poor to Plug Its Budget De... by throwaway894345 on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @06:07PM (#21767762)
Churches shouldn't pay taxes, but yeah, having the government collect the tithe seems like not enough separation between church/state. Even still, as long as the tax isn't compulsory for non-believers and the countries in question are generally happy with it, it doesn't seem like a very big deal.

FWIW, in the US and elsewhere, we have ideologies like Critical Race Theory which are not discernibly different from religions (certainly more religion than sociology or research) and which are taxpayer funded. (And no, this is not the same thing as religious studies programs--studying a religion/ideology is not the same thing as promoting, producing, and enforcing it).

Re:Vatican Uses Donations for the Poor to Plug Its Budget De... by literallycancer on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @06:25PM (#21767882)
Why shouldn't they? They do business and make profit just like any other corporation, but somehow at the end they don't get taxed because certain kinds of delusional people get a pass?