Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it

Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by slumdev on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @12:52PM (#21764905)

I've shot down two companies in the past three days because they made it known during the recruitment that they expected more than 40 hours a week, sometimes well in excess of it.

It's always couched in some doublespeak about "ownership". Trust me, if I were owner or part-owner in the enterprise, I wouldn't mind. But I'm not.

People complain about entitlement attitudes among the young. They need to look at employers if they really want to see entitlement.

It sounds like your boss feels entitled to your time without taking an ownership stake in your professional development.

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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by BigJono on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @04:54PM (#21767167)

The other thing about those places is that they only attract the desperate devs. So you know when they pull out that bullshit in the interview that if you were to take a job there you'd be on a team chock full of juniors with a few "seniors" that just fill a chair for 50 hours a week and haven't learnt anything new in the last decade.

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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by slumdev on Thursday December 12, 2019 @09:17AM (#21772003)

I got that impression. At the first shop, the people I met didn't seem like they would be employable anywhere else.

The hiring manager also spent some time whining about the state of the developer market and said they couldn't afford the higher end of the range they had posted on their website.

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Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it by oswamano on Thursday December 12, 2019 @10:03AM (#21772343)

Eugh, annoys me that people talk about entitlement in this case then management is surprised when developers don't stay any longer than 3 years

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