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Re:Facebook Tells Barr It Won’t Open Up Encrypted Messages by TimTheTinker on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @11:19AM (#21753831)
> This seems like a extreme argument.

Not at all. Good security often involves some black-and-white thinking, which not everyone is accustomed to.

If Facebook controls the endpoint, then they have the power to access the plaintext, full stop. Using their product (hopefully) implies a choice to trust them not to abuse such access.

Re:Facebook Tells Barr It Won’t Open Up Encrypted Messages by fooker on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @09:45PM (#21759110)
Ok, what about the closed source hardware in the phones?

Would you argue against all encryption because clearly the CPU maker has a similar access to all decrypted content?

Re:Facebook Tells Barr It Won’t Open Up Encrypted Messages by lmm on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @12:53AM (#21759941)
I'd argue for not trusting a cryptosystem that requires you to use a particular vendor's CPUs. Open standards and independent implementations at every level should be table stakes.
Re:Facebook Tells Barr It Won’t Open Up Encrypted Messages by ip26 on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @04:35PM (#21757111)
Although I argue the black-and-white "everyone is a potential adversary" thinking is misguided. Your threat model determines requisite security measures, and you usually have to trust someone. (Although Facebook should probably not be that someone)
Re:Facebook Tells Barr It Won’t Open Up Encrypted Messages by gimmeThaBeet on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @11:28AM (#21753923)
> Using their product (hopefully) implies a choice to trust them not to abuse such access.

Which is what...they said?