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Re:Hiring Is Obsolete (2005) by bluGill on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @08:22AM (#21752170)
How does the labor to build the basic things like a roof happen? How does the labor to grow food and get it to you happen? Those are called jobs, and like it or not somebody has to do them. Society has been getting more efficient at them, but even still some amount of human labor is required!

People have jobs because they need things that can only be got via human labor. This is not a bigger issue at a root level, it is a basic fact that you are trying to deny.

Re:Hiring Is Obsolete (2005) by loh on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @10:52AM (#21753546)
If you think hundreds or thousands (or maybe even decades) into the future, it's pretty clear that it should be entirely possible to fully automate everything required for basic human needs. Obviously there will be some human labor required to build it, and probably some discouraging speed bumps along the way, but just because it does not exist in our present time doesn't mean it's impossible.

I dream of a future where everyone has all of their basic needs met through technology, giving people the capacity to focus on doing the things they are naturally good at doing, things they enjoy, all on their on free time with their own free will. If you think about it, technology is nothing more than the rearrangement of resources to create tools which make our lives easier. Progression of technology is just a matter of how much better we get at creating these tools, and we are getting better and better and we will never stop. We will eventually have tools that make it effortless to satisfy all basic human needs. Automation is inevitable.

You are right that people will always have jobs, but the jobs that people have will also always change.

Re:Hiring Is Obsolete (2005) by keiferski on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @10:25AM (#21753293)
The overwhelming majority of jobs in the modern economy have nothing to do with basic needs. Most of them simply exist to feed the consumerist/financial complex.
Re:Hiring Is Obsolete (2005) by bluGill on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @12:00PM (#21754259)
The overwhelming majority of people want more than the basics. They don't just want a roof over their head, they want a nice roof - one they can stand up under, maybe with a kitchen, running water, separate rooms for their various games... They don't want to eat just rice and beans, they want more.

You are one of them: if you were not you wouldn't be reading this forum.

Re:Hiring Is Obsolete (2005) by keiferski on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @12:05PM (#21754309)
All of the things you mentioned can still be categorized as "the basics."

This forum is a particularly bad example to use, considering that it's more-or-less built on technology that is over two decades old (i.e. an online forum.)

Re:Hiring Is Obsolete (2005) by bluGill on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @12:40PM (#21754671)
What are the basics. Every time you expand the definition - as you just did - it takes more labor time to make it. You can put the line between basics and luxury anyplace you want, but the amount of labor it takes to make basic society possible goes changes with each change.
Re:Hiring Is Obsolete (2005) by madprops on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @08:58PM (#21758880)
I agree with you. There's almost never a free meal, nor a reason why there should be. I still think a lot of jobs today are unimportant and exist due to people's lack of options.

I also agree with loh's comment here: "I dream of a future where everyone has all of their basic needs met through technology, giving people the capacity to focus on doing the things they are naturally good at doing, things they enjoy"

It would seem that the current system in place is what's required to get there, but maybe it's just slow to change for good.

Re:Hiring Is Obsolete (2005) by UserIsUnused on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @11:53AM (#21754189)
That's a different issue. But consumerism is needed to provide something of value back to those that gave their time to get you food and a roof.
Re:Hiring Is Obsolete (2005) by keiferski on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @12:06PM (#21754318)
Food and roofs didn't exist prior to 20th-century marketing and consumer-targeting psychology?
Re:Hiring Is Obsolete (2005) by UserIsUnused on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @11:08AM (#21763765)
before 20th century marketing woman would spend the whole day preparing food. And you couldn't really have a decent way of owning a home.
Re:Hiring Is Obsolete (2005) by beckingz on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @11:07AM (#21753732)
Do not overly disregard material conditions.