Re:A Billion Surveillance Cameras Forecast to Be Watching Wi...
by mindfulhack on Friday December 06, 2019 @09:19PM
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You make a compelling case, and at first it's terrifying, but then I know we humans are always terrified of change no matter what it is (e.g. 'music is dead' at the arrival of recorded sound), and also I wonder if we overpraise the 'natural order' of human behaviour as opposed to future potential worlds.
I am a freedom-fighter, yes, and I hate conformity, yes, but the current evolutionary survivalness of humans is also very ugly. (E.g. the selfish drive to steal a bike.) I don't have a solution, just thinking openly.
Re:A Billion Surveillance Cameras Forecast to Be Watching Wi...
by heavyset_go on Friday December 06, 2019 @05:45PM
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> If you have 99% conviction rate, people will just stop doing crime
You should take a look at DAs conviction rates sometime. Federal conviction rates are 99.8% in the US.
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by larnmar on Friday December 06, 2019 @10:23PM
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I’m not sure what the denominator is there, but it’s not all crimes committed.
Re:A Billion Surveillance Cameras Forecast to Be Watching Wi...
by heavyset_go on Friday December 06, 2019 @11:01PM
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It's all criminal cases that went before a judge.
Re:A Billion Surveillance Cameras Forecast to Be Watching Wi...
by superkuh on Friday December 06, 2019 @11:18PM
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Japan's conviction rate is 99.9%. https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/c05401/order-in-the-c...
Re:A Billion Surveillance Cameras Forecast to Be Watching Wi...
by jki275 on Friday December 06, 2019 @11:28PM
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That's because they only arrest guilty people.
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by Scoundreller on Saturday December 07, 2019 @12:57AM
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Aka they always convict arrested people.
Re:A Billion Surveillance Cameras Forecast to Be Watching Wi...
by jki275 on Saturday December 07, 2019 @05:52PM
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But of course.
Re:A Billion Surveillance Cameras Forecast to Be Watching Wi...
by hamms on Friday December 06, 2019 @05:16PM
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> If you have 99% conviction rate, people will just stop doing crime
Do you have any information to support this claim?
Re:A Billion Surveillance Cameras Forecast to Be Watching Wi...
by hjkhtroeiupwq on Friday December 06, 2019 @05:37PM
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> While a stolen bike probably isn't that valuable, what matters is that in most places, there's basically no chances that you will be caught.
> And I'm not kidding about the absence of enforcement and low risk of stealing bikes. Here's a NYT journalist filming himself stealing his own bike in New York City to see how people who see him will react. You gotta see this to believe it. He even uses powertools and does it near cops.
https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/underworld-economics-what-h...
But you don't even need to get to this stage. If you have 99% conviction rate, people will just stop doing crime, starting with the ones for which crime was just a marginal thing anyway (maybe even for the adrenaline rush), and as a result you'll have even fewer crimes to prosecute. It's a positive feed-back loop.
And you don't need to put people in prison. Something like China's social credit is coming everywhere. Steal a bike, you pay double for everything.