Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness
by adrianN on Friday December 06, 2019 @04:15AM
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How do you know that the rock is not aware of stuff? if you say consciousness is just neurons firing in certain patterns you have also given an answer to the traditional "hard" problem of consciousness, with hundreds of pages of philosophical thought that refutes your answer.
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Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness
by cygx on Friday December 06, 2019 @04:35AM
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If you're not a dualist, thoughts necessarily have to be accompanied by some change of state of the material substrate.
Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness
by adrianN on Friday December 06, 2019 @04:46AM
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Don't underestimate the complexity of a rock's internal state. There is a unfathomable number of atoms in complex crystal lattices in there. Defects in that lattice alone can encode a ton of information. Then you have a bunch of quantum state for each elementary particle. All of that reacts to external stimuli like temperature, pressure, or the occasional cosmic ray.
Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness
by cygx on Friday December 06, 2019 @05:00AM
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Thoughts are a process, so if they were supported by a crystal lattice, that lattice would have to go through changes.
As to your other point, the ergodicity of the system at the very least places a limit on the timescales over which consciousness may persist. I'm fairly confident in my belief that a rock cannot be conscious in any appreciable way.