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Re:Through the snow as if on rails by danans on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @09:13PM (#21709358)
> What people fail to realize, particularly in slippery conditions, is that it's often much easier to gain speed than to shed it. Modern traction control systems make it more (too) easy to gain speed without equally making it easy to shed speed.

Which raises an interesting question: if a traction control system can detect poor traction conditions and compensate, couldn't it just as easily warn the driver to slow down, just like the backup radar on recent cars warns about pedestrians and cross traffic?

I used to own a VW which would turn on a light indicating a high chance of black ice when the temperature conditions lent themselves to that (black ice can form at several degrees above freezing temperature).

I suspect that a car could warn of low traction and recommend slowing down, but no car offers it because consumers won't buy a car that nags them to slow down, Even if it's for their own safety.

Re:Through the snow as if on rails by burfog on Thursday December 05, 2019 @01:19AM (#21710352)
I have experienced that VW ice warning. It was awful.

First of all, the possibility of ice is obvious. No warning is needed. That is just silly.

Second of all, it wasn't just a light. It was a loud noise.

Third of all, the warning was delayed. It wouldn't occur right when starting the car. It often jolted me for attention right as I was pulling out into very busy traffic. The warning was a hazardous distraction.

Re:Through the snow as if on rails by lervag on Thursday December 05, 2019 @02:25AM (#21710578)
> First of all, the possibility of ice is obvious. No warning is needed. That is just silly.

Partly correct. Yes, the possibility may be in part obvious by conditions such as temperature. But I think most people who are used to driving on icy conditions can tell you that the ice may still come as a surprise. A system that could _reliably_ warn about slippery conditions would be good.

Re:Through the snow as if on rails by theluketaylor on Thursday December 05, 2019 @12:00PM (#21713930)
my car does the exact same thing and it's easily dumbest feature a modern car has ever had. It's Canada in January, of course ice is possible. The alert goes off at a random time up to 15 minutes into a journey. Since it's audible you think something really serious has happened and now focus is not on the road but trying to figure out which tire has punctured or if a connecting rod is protruding from the engine block. Then you remember the stupid ice warning and are reminded how much you hate the alert, meanwhile in your distracted state you have driven into the ditch.

Somewhere where it snows once every 3 years it might be helpful. When you live in a place with real winter it actually makes you less safe since your brain has to spend time processing the alert for a condition that's obvious since the entire horizon is covered in a blanket of snow.