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Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by rb808 on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @06:39PM (#21708368)
Its interesting but I wouldn't say Graviton2 is likely to succeed.

Every ARM based PC I've seen has been disappointingly slow, which I dont really understand because phones usually are amazingly quick.

DEC Alpha, Sun Sparc, MIPS, PowerPC couldn't keep up with Intel in the recent past either.

Intel CPUs aren't cheap, but they're a fraction of the cost of a server.

All adds up to interesting innovation but not necessarily the future.

Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by viraptor on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @07:31PM (#21708756)
> Every ARM based PC I've seen has been disappointingly slow

Most recent ARM PCs were explicitly low-power low-performance. That was the goal, not a description of the architecture. The mobile part pretty much confirms that.

The ARM chips that Amazon is putting in the servers is nothing like what you'll find in a consumer arm laptop.

Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by PeterCorless on Thursday December 05, 2019 @01:12PM (#21714620)
Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by koolba on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @07:08PM (#21708567)
The capital cost is only one part of the equation. These modern ARM cores have insane per-watt performance and that’s what adds up for horizontally scalable services.
Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by zozbot234 on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @08:06PM (#21709005)
RISC-V chips will handily beat ARM on performance per watt, given similar specs and fabrication technology. The margin is not insanely large but it's definitely substantial in existing benchmarks.
Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by __d on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @08:54PM (#21709281)
Which will be great, just as soon as someone comes out with a competitive server CPU + chipset.

Surely these are in development, but based on the ARM experience, it'll be at least 5 years from availability of reasonable parts to any decent volume.

Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by pertymcpert on Thursday December 05, 2019 @09:41AM (#21712576)
Why?
Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by kbenson on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @06:53PM (#21708449)
> Intel CPUs aren't cheap, but they're a fraction of the cost of a server.

Depending what what performance level you're looking at, they're a very large fraction of the server cost. Get a dual or quad socket board and buy the higher end CPUs and you might be looking at well over half the cost.

Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by StillBored on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @11:24PM (#21709965)
I think the point is that, if your buying a quad socket, the 2TB of ECC ram you stick in it will dwarf the core prices, or similarly its not hard to drop $50k on U.2 NVMe, etc.

Its possible to shift this argument different ways depending on the part of the market your looking at.

Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by jws on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @07:05PM (#21708539)
I'm not sure about MIPS, but over the years there were times when Alpha, Sparc, and PowerPC were each ahead of x86 in performance. Intel outpaced them by using their huge volume sales to invest in fabrication improvement at a scale none of them could hope to match, going to ever more complicated internal architectures, and a dash of perfectly legal but slightly expensive tricks (like hiring away key designers).

Intel stumbled in fabrication and complicated architecture is having a bit of a growing pain. The CPU market doesn't make revenue like it used it – very few desktop users feel the need to upgrade every two years and for many applications pretty much any CPU is fast enough. Growth in the cloud market could be good, but any thing that threatens their market share of the cloud is threat to Intel.

Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @07:47PM (#21708879)
> Every ARM based PC I've seen has been disappointingly slow,

The only ARM based PCs I've ever seen are the Raspberry Pi and other products intended to compete with the Pi, and one of the core features of these PCs is being a complete computer for under $100. Keeping the price low was always the top priority, not performance.

Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by PeterCorless on Thursday December 05, 2019 @01:13PM (#21714633)
The Graviton2 is about performance. We did tests. This thing blitzes.

https://www.scylladb.com/2019/12/05/is-arm-ready-for-server-...

Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by perl4ever on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @11:02PM (#21709873)
Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by boramalper on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @06:43PM (#21708392)
> Every ARM based PC I've seen has been disappointingly slow, which I dont really understand because phones usually are amazingly quick.

Maybe it’s a latency vs throughput thing?

As far as I know, ARM is great at balancing latency and power consumption, but behind x64 in throughput. [citation needed]

Re:Coming Soon: AWS Graviton2 Processor for AWS by PeterCorless on Thursday December 05, 2019 @01:13PM (#21714641)