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Re:The Intoxicating History of Gin by namdnay on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @09:40AM (#21702500)
To be pedantic, a martini is comprised of gin, vermouth, and the water from the ice. If you try making one without ice (e.g. with a freezer) it's too strong
Re:The Intoxicating History of Gin by easytiger on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @09:57AM (#21702660)
A lot of places in America serve room temperature non melted martinis. Pretty horrible.
Re:The Intoxicating History of Gin by namdnay on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @10:11AM (#21702780)
Most places in France think that when you order a Martini you want a glass of vermouth, not a cocktail. And if you give them the ingredients they will say "ah like a vodka martini but with gin?" ...
Re:The Intoxicating History of Gin by chkuendig on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @10:54AM (#21703219)
That's mostly because "Martini" is the prevalent brand of vermouth in central Europe. It's super confusing... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martini_%26_Rossi
Re:The Intoxicating History of Gin by oarabbus_ on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @12:36PM (#21704518)
But France is Western Europe, not central. Is it the prevalent brand there too?

>Usually the countries considered to be Central European are Austria, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland; in the broader sense Romania and Serbia too, occasionally also Belgium, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg.

Re:The Intoxicating History of Gin by 0xffff2 on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @02:08PM (#21705781)
I think that Martini was overwhelmingly the most prevalent brand of vermouth the world over. That's certainly the case in the US.
Re:The Intoxicating History of Gin by mcguire on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @02:47PM (#21706159)
Vermouth is from Italy, which is more Central European than Belgium, the Netherlands, or Luxembourg.
Re:The Intoxicating History of Gin by oarabbus_ on Friday December 06, 2019 @06:17PM (#21727023)
I've never heard people refer to Italy as "central Europe", personally.
Re:The Intoxicating History of Gin by easytiger on Thursday December 05, 2019 @08:50AM (#21712222)
Yea. Made that mistake before. Got vermouth with a slice of lemon
Re:The Intoxicating History of Gin by tptacek on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @02:26PM (#21705968)
For more nerdy detail on this than you ever realized you wanted, see: http://cookingissues.com/index.html%3Fp=1527.html