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Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by kragen on Monday December 02, 2019 @01:15AM (#21680222)
Get a VPS and run a VPN client to it and/or run Tor. VPN providers suffer adverse selection, catering to powerless customers who don't have their own data centers, but have something to hide. And they know who you are, which Tor exit nodes don't. That makes them juicy targets for spies, not all of whose compromises will be as obvious as a financial takeover.
Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by mirimir on Monday December 02, 2019 @01:36AM (#21680318)
Then you need to trust the VPS provider.

Also, using a private VPN proxy, you're the only user. So there's even less anonymity than using a VPN service.

The safest bet is arguably Tor. Although the connection to the US government is troubling. And then there's the issue that many sites block Tor users with difficult or impossible CAPTCHAs.

Using nested VPN chains is a reasonable compromise. It's much faster than Tor, and you don't need to trust any one VPN provider.

Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by kragen on Monday December 02, 2019 @03:39AM (#21680846)
Yes, you need to trust the VPS provider. But many people already trust Amazon with their credit card number, their home address, which books they read when, and which passages they highlight in them, to say nothing of all the other websites they use that Amazon hosts; trusting Amazon instead of Comcast is probably purely an improvement for them.

Tor is not operated by the US government; it's founded by them and partly funded by them. One reason is certainly to spy on Tor users; another reason is so that their own spies have anonymous internet access to exfiltrate stolen information; a third reason is to enable political dissidents in countries like Australia with onerous censorship regimes to access uncensored information.

If you want to use a nested VPN chain that isn't Tor, how do you authenticate to the last provider in the chain, the one that knows which website you're connecting to? Are you using a VPN provider that you pay in ZCash? Or do they allow anyone to use their server without paying, like a Tor exit?

Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by mirimir on Monday December 02, 2019 @03:52AM (#21680891)
The VPN that I connect directly to, I pay with a credit card. They know who I am, so why bother trying to hide.

All other VPNs in my chains, I pay with Bitcoin that's been mixed multiple times. I have a bunch of Whonix instances that I use for mixing and storing Bitcoin. They all hit Tor through nested VPN chains.

Each one has an Electrum wallet. It gets its Bitcoin from another Whonix instance through a mixing service. In any given mixing chain, I use a different mixing service for each step.

So then, generally, VPNs that I use less directly get paid with Bitcoin that's been mixed more times. And I never use the same Bitcoin wallet to pay for VPNs at different "levels".

Edit: You say:

> But many people already trust Amazon with ...

I trust Amazon with all those things. As my meatspace identity.

But I wouldn't trust them with information that associates my meatspace identity with Mirimir.

Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by kragen on Monday December 02, 2019 @11:01AM (#21683565)
Interesting! Which VPN providers can you recommend?
Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by mirimir on Monday December 02, 2019 @04:46PM (#21687347)
For many years, I've recommended AirVPN, Insorg, IVPN and Mullvad. And formerly BolehVPN and PIA. There was chatter about BolehVPN's logging policy. And now about PIA's acquisition by a firm with an iffy reputation.

Those are all relatively old, compared to mainstream VPN services. So there's been more time for bad news to come out.

I've also used older ones, such as Cryptohippie and Rayservers. They're among the first OpenVPN-based services. Cryptohippie used to be quite expensive, with a ~low usage limit. But now its price is comparable to many others, and I don't see a usage cap. It's not as fast as many others, but arguably far better secured against adversaries.

Rayservers is extremely old school. They only accept gold-based electronic currencies (Truledger and Loom). Those are pre-Bitcoin. I'm not sure whether they still work.

There are others that I use. But I'm not going to talk about them.

Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by kragen on Monday December 02, 2019 @10:21PM (#21689630)
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by mijoharas on Monday December 02, 2019 @06:51AM (#21681639)
Genuine question. Why?
Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by mirimir on Monday December 02, 2019 @07:34AM (#21681823)
Well, I actually wouldn't trust anyone with that.

But Amazon, less so. Because they're totally profit driven. And wouldn't think twice before pwning me.

I want to remain pseudonymous. Basically so I don't need to worry about damaging my meatspace reputation.

And what would be the point of going to all that trouble, if I were going to compromise myself?

Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by mijoharas on Monday December 02, 2019 @08:28AM (#21682095)
Sorry, I just realised my question was super ambiguous as to which part of your post I was asking "Why" to. I was specifically asking why you go to such large efforts to obscure your identity.

You've answered that, but it definitely seems a lot of effort to go to.

Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by mirimir on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @04:24PM (#21696874)
About being lots of effort.

It was lots of effort. Some years ago. Mostly in learning how to do it.

But now it's only maintenance.

Not much more than maintaining my perimeter router.

Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by kragen on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @05:20PM (#21697457)
It would be really interesting to see a how-to writeup so that other people can obtain the same levels of privacy without having to go through the steps of learning everything the hard way like you did. Also, it would probably help your privacy if there were other people doing the same thing.
Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by mirimir on Monday December 02, 2019 @04:16PM (#21687036)
It's also, frankly, a hobby.

And an expression of my commitment to privacy, freedom, etc.

Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by zelly on Monday December 02, 2019 @06:06PM (#21688051)
VPNs are a complete red herring placebo, promoted intentionally to distract you from TOR. TOR is one of the only legitimate anonymizing technologies.

Connecting to your own VPN on a VPS is miles better than a retail VPN service, but even for that I wonder what threat model it serves.

• You can ban outgoing unencrypted network traffic without a VPN (a VPN doesn't solve this either btw).

• You can use DNS-over-TLS without a VPN; that solves a big part of traffic analysis.

• If you only have one VPS and only ever connect through that one tunnel, all you accomplished was moving your effective IP to another place. Oh, and you added an extra counterparty in the middle.

The utility of VPNs is, almost as a dumb proxy, to patch malicious/missing functionality from your first-party connection, e.g.: you live in a country that bans IP ranges outside of its borders, your ISP bans BitTorrent traffic, or your ISP is more cooperative with LEO than your VPN provider is. This has nothing to do with anonymization. The VPN or VPS knows who you are.

It's a confusion between privacy and anonymity.

Re:PIA VPN to be acquired by malware company founded by form... by input_sh on Monday December 02, 2019 @02:02AM (#21680442)
The entire point why I'm using a VPN is that I want my traffic to be lost in the crowd, not to be the only one using a VPN from a VPS.