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Re:Amazon warehouses are ‘cult-like’ sweatshops run by robot... by rpiguy on Sunday December 01, 2019 @02:34PM (#21677340)
Article is ruined by sensationalism, but I’d expect no less from the NY Post. It is a shame because I am sure there are real issues with Amazon warehouses, but choosing an employee who took a job they are not physically capable of doing and then focusing on her really detracts from the story.

Complaining about the cult-like “great place to work” brainwashing? Welcome to all of corporate America...

Re:Amazon warehouses are ‘cult-like’ sweatshops run by robot... by badrabbit on Sunday December 01, 2019 @04:43PM (#21677988)
She was an EMT, I doubt she lacked the physical acumen. I've done jobs like this, they are hard but not physically, you have pallt jacks, tools,etc... To do the really hard stuff (bots in this case).

So, what I really don't get is their breaks policy. Why not have more break areas? Why not let people take a lot of breaks, so long as their performance metric is on point?

As far as the corporate koolaid, all of corporate america isn't like that. You certainly won't hear managers bad mouthing the company but a lot of good environments, they don't repeat propaganda like phrases again and again. Even if they all mean the same thing they say it in their own way. Like for example they'd talk about their experience and what they have seen first hand that corroborates the corporate message to workers. And in some places, dissent (non-toxic but productive) is encouraged so workers feel like their voice matters.

At the end of the day happy workers have best ROI. You can acheive good ROI regardless but there will be long term costs.

Re:Amazon warehouses are ‘cult-like’ sweatshops run by robot... by krapp on Sunday December 01, 2019 @06:01PM (#21678405)
>Why not have more break areas?

Break areas don't generate revenue. FCs are designed around efficient product flow first, people second. If employees have to waste fifteen minutes of a half hour break walking to and from the break room as a result, then they can just walk faster. But not run, that's a safety hazard.

>Why not let people take a lot of breaks, so long as their performance metric is on point?

Actually... they did just roll out a program that lets people take a minute break every 45 minutes or so, without it affecting their metrics. So that's something.

Re:Amazon warehouses are ‘cult-like’ sweatshops run by robot... by badrabbit on Sunday December 01, 2019 @06:31PM (#21678550)
> Break areas don't generate revenue. FCs are designed around efficient product flow first, people second

Neither do toilets. You literally set a side a small room with table, chairs and Microwave. There is a lot of things that don't generate revenue but you do them anyways to prevent revenue and reputation loss. Like security guards,cameras,parking lots,etc... These things support the people and process that generate revenue. If walking to a breakroom is 2 minutes (4 total) the employee has 26 extra minutes now, they can slack off or get back to work faster and be more productive and less tired and frustrated (less mistakes). Either way that's 26min work isn't being done so there is no loss in revenue.

And yeah, kudos to them if that's true. It's easy to pick on Amazon but your run of the mill warehouse job is always worse and pays half as much

Re:Amazon warehouses are ‘cult-like’ sweatshops run by robot... by krapp on Sunday December 01, 2019 @08:05PM (#21679069)
They skimp on toilets too. They tend to skimp on anything they can legally get away with - "frugality" is a company mantra, after all.

And you're right, they could afford to be more flexible with employee time and productivity might rise, but that's just not their culture. Their culture is that employees are responsible for meeting expectations, no excuses. If they want productivity to rise, they just raise quotas and crack down on time off task. They complain about the cost of the pain medication employees use from the dispensary. They abuse trialware because they don't want to pay for the licenses. That's just who they are.

This is a company that will assign you to indefinite six day, twelve hour weeks if business needs call for it, but will complain if you're a minute late from break. It's possible that bad press or not wanting to be the Democrats' straw villain in 2020 might cause policies to drift in a more progressive direction, though.

>It's easy to pick on Amazon but your run of the mill warehouse job is always worse and pays half as much

That's true. To be fair, the base wage is extremely competitive in most markets for entry level work, and the health insurance is really good, and most people aren't peeing in bottles and the like. But even then, "it's not literally the worst possible job" is kind of damning with faint praise.

Re:Amazon warehouses are ‘cult-like’ sweatshops run by robot... by Jax2_Hannah on Monday December 02, 2019 @03:11AM (#21680719)
If you've seen my bathrooms here, you would change your mind. Some of them have 3 stalls (for women), and others have too many for me to remember. I'll be sure to count them one day though. >There is a lot of things that don't generate revenue but you do them anyways to prevent revenue and reputation loss. I wholeheartedly agree with your point here. If people actually have time to take a break, they will be more productive than without a break at all.I've heard some of my coworkers say if they want to hit a certain goal, they would need to skip their 2nd or 3rd break. But I'm proof that this theory is false. My rate from 1st period to 2nd period increased dramatically after taking a full break.
Re:Amazon warehouses are ‘cult-like’ sweatshops run by robot... by klyrs on Sunday December 01, 2019 @05:33PM (#21678253)
> choosing an employee who took a job they are not physically capable of doing and then focusing on her really detracts from the story.

Only, she's middle aged and has a life history of hard work. She comments about this being young people's work (taking a weird swerve to diss menudo; my least favorite detail in the article) -- but the awful truth is that young folk who take jobs like this suffer that wear and tear later in life.

> Complaining about the cult-like “great place to work” brainwashing? Welcome to all of corporate America...

There's variation in this -- some employers focus on making their workplace a positive experience; others require their managers to proclaim that it's a positive experience during onboarding. The latter is common to cults and bad jobs.

But more importantly: even if something is common, that doesn't make it good. It just means that the problem is harder to tackle.

Re:Amazon warehouses are ‘cult-like’ sweatshops run by robot... by Jax2_Hannah on Monday December 02, 2019 @03:00AM (#21680676)
Very good point here. I started at age 26, which by her standards is too old for this job, and no one could tell the difference between my age and a 20 year old. >some employers focus on making their workplace a positive experience; others require their managers to proclaim that it's a positive experience during onboarding I've never heard any of my managers say this is a great place to work. Some might be enthusiastic, and others might do things for us, like start a potluck every month. Overall, I'd say my managers all did well when I worked under them.
Re:Amazon warehouses are ‘cult-like’ sweatshops run by robot... by supercanuck on Sunday December 01, 2019 @04:34PM (#21677936)
The point of the article seems to be to warn people that they are not physically capable of doing these things and to explain the human toll of a job like this.

Why so sensitive to Amazon?

Re:Amazon warehouses are ‘cult-like’ sweatshops run by robot... by 9HZZRfNlpR on Sunday December 01, 2019 @07:01PM (#21678703)
Because people work day and day out shitty doing shitty manual labour without people even noticing them. Having worked there fur very long the whole article is just big whining, for some reason Amazon warehouses is a popular subject.
Re:Amazon warehouses are ‘cult-like’ sweatshops run by robot... by supercanuck on Sunday December 01, 2019 @07:32PM (#21678891)
And those people deserve to be treated with respect and dignity too.
Re:Amazon warehouses are ‘cult-like’ sweatshops run by robot... by MiguelFCA on Monday December 02, 2019 @03:15AM (#21680742)
We do get treated with dignity and respect. In my FC I have never felt like i wasnt. I have great relationships with all my associates. I feel like some many news articles go for negative attention and Amazon is an easy target for people to report on and get lots of attention.