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Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by mrleinad on Friday November 29, 2019 @01:11PM (#21665876)
Day before yesterday a bus crashed in Argentina, two kids died as consequence of the crash.

Earlier this month the organism that regulates public transportation allowed companies to send just one driver on long distance trips, forcing that person to stay awake during the whole journey.

Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by mrleinad on Saturday November 30, 2019 @11:39AM (#21670682)
This source, who asked to reserve his name, was eloquent: “Outside the high season is one thing, but within the season, employers, to increase their profitability, force workers not to respect their hours of rest. The driver should say so, yes, but if you have your source of work at stake… ”

(link in spanish) https://www.clarin.com/sociedad/pequena-trampa-legal-habilit...

Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by timwaagh on Friday November 29, 2019 @01:21PM (#21665919)
I don't think we should dehumanize people just because they are on the other site of the debate. To address the point, there are good reasons for deprioritising safety given the economic climate.
Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by whisps on Friday November 29, 2019 @01:43PM (#21666021)
What are the good reasons?
Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by timwaagh on Friday November 29, 2019 @02:17PM (#21666202)
Argentina's economy is going down the drain atm. Labor cost is a big factor in transportation so keeping two drivers might be making the things too expensive. Independent of this, buses are safer than cars, so safety wise the argument could be made if it gets people out of the car it's worth it. I don't think I've ever had two drivers for long distance buses in Europe. I don't think we're very unsafe.
Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by DoingIsLearning on Friday November 29, 2019 @03:08PM (#21666529)
I am not sure where in Europe you've experienced _long_ distance buses but heavy vehicles have a tacho by law in any EU country.

All drivers have to prove they rested x hours if they have done y kilometers. Any company violating this will be charged.

Also consider that Argentina North to South is well over 3000km which would be equivalent to a trip between Estonia and Greece.

Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by timwaagh on Saturday November 30, 2019 @05:23AM (#21669385)
The thing about the tacho is true. On my trip from NL to Austria all of us had to get out so the driver could take rest at some point. This particular regulation doesn't force bus companies to just double the labor cost, though.
Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by mrleinad on Friday November 29, 2019 @05:07PM (#21667111)
Problem is not just one trip, and you're right, economy is going down the drain here.

Problem is that those drivers take as much work as they can because they can't make ends meet after they collect wages. So they put extra hours to get more money. Remove a second driver, and you have a sleep deprived driver taking double or triple shifts just to collect an extra coin.

Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by timwaagh on Saturday November 30, 2019 @05:41AM (#21669428)
I don't doubt it. Hopefully the damage will be limited. Maybe better wages are possible when things get better. Not many people can sleep on a bus though. having two sleep deprived drivers might not be that much better than one.
Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by mrleinad on Saturday November 30, 2019 @11:08AM (#21670515)
We don't need two sleep deprived drivers, that was just another way to mitigate the problem.

We need companies to pay drivers enough so they can do their job and go to sleep before taking the next shift.

Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by mrleinad on Saturday November 30, 2019 @11:36AM (#21670655)
Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by QuanticSausage on Saturday November 30, 2019 @03:16PM (#21671934)
Yeah, I bet you think that the economy problem in Argentina will get better cutting costs. The real problem, however, is the job culture here, if not the overall culture.
Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by mrleinad on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @06:37AM (#21691559)
Saying it's due to culture it's like saying no one is to blame and there's no way to change this in the short term.

No, it's not culture. The problem is the finantial and economical decisions taken by the government in the past 4 years. Hopefully these will be reverted by the next administration.

Re:Total sleep deprivation impairs attention and higher-orde... by michaelcampbell on Friday November 29, 2019 @02:59PM (#21666481)
I'm sure the 2 dead kids didn't either.