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Re:Some scientists are serious about resurrecting zeppelins ... by ericd on Thursday November 28, 2019 @11:28PM (#21662056)
There was a company working on hydrofoils for cargo ships in one of the recent YC batches. No idea how it’s going, but they at least seem to think it’s possible to put foils on something large.
Re:Some scientists are serious about resurrecting zeppelins ... by nradov on Thursday November 28, 2019 @11:52PM (#21662135)
Boundary Layer Technologies is developing small cargo hydrofoils to compete with air freight. This may be a viable niche market. But their design looks like it has only about 1% of the capacity of the largest displacement hull container ships. Hydrofoil technology doesn't scale. And the cruising speed won't be much over 50kts.
Re:Some scientists are serious about resurrecting zeppelins ... by JeremyPOsborne on Saturday December 07, 2019 @09:04PM (#21733943)
Jeremy from BLT. I just saw this post, cool!

You are right on that we're developing small cargo ships at about 1% of the largest containers ships. However, a comparison to the largest container vessel is not fair. Our concept has 160 twenty-foot containers (TEU), which is the same as fourteen 747 cargo airplanes and can complete on freight duration with airfreight. Most air freight takes 3-7 days despite a 12 hours in-air transit time, and the remaining time is sitting around airports. We can deliver in 6 days across the pacific ocean, and port wait times are minimal because of our small vessel. Though, if you pay 10x the premium, you can get FedEx or DHL to deliver up to a 1 ton anywhere overnight. Airfreight moves 35% of the world's cargo value and is a $100b market, and a single airplane is only 0.06% capacity of the largest container ship. Hardly niche.

If the hydrofoils ships are too large, they will spend too much time filling the vessel rather than delivering point-to-point cargo, improving the service. Most ocean lines make 4-6 stops at ports, while a small foil ship can load quickly and make no stops, thus significantly reducing the door to door duration.

Correctly pointed out, hydrofoils do not follow the same scale laws as standard buoyancy vessel. The amount of cargo that can be delivered increases with the cube of the length assuming all else scales, meaning the fuel and crew cost per container decreases drastically with larger ships. That's why we see mega-20,000 TEU-container-ships. Hydrofoil ship lift capability scales linearly with plan area of the foil, so we don't gain much making them mega-ships.

Airships are cool. I'd like to see one built.

Re:Some scientists are serious about resurrecting zeppelins ... by alexisread on Friday November 29, 2019 @04:18AM (#21663156)
Agreed! A possible solution in this style are Wing-In-Ground effect aircraft (WIGs) such as the Pelican.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Pelican

Having said that, hydrogen airships are probably the way to go due to abundant gas, high lift, ability to compress as per airlander.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Air_Vehicles_HAV_304/...

Re:Some scientists are serious about resurrecting zeppelins ... by ericd on Friday November 29, 2019 @11:05PM (#21668446)
Ah didn’t realize it was just for very small cargo ships, thanks for the analysis.
Re:Some scientists are serious about resurrecting zeppelins ... by symplee on Thursday November 28, 2019 @11:40PM (#21662094)
What about cargo torpedoes? I imagine you could fit an airplane load into a very large submarine/torpedo and send it at 200 km/h with a nuclear powered propulsion.
Re:Some scientists are serious about resurrecting zeppelins ... by weberc2 on Thursday November 28, 2019 @11:46PM (#21662113)
No idea if this idea is any good or not, but I wouldn’t recommend marketing this solution using the words “nuclear” and “torpedo”.
Re:Some scientists are serious about resurrecting zeppelins ... by ummonk on Friday November 29, 2019 @03:07AM (#21662877)
The fastest submarine of all time only went 75 km/h...
Re:Some scientists are serious about resurrecting zeppelins ... by jacobush on Friday November 29, 2019 @09:50AM (#21664682)
So? The idea is batshit insane, but I'm not sure it's against physics. Imagine a supercavity nuclear powered submarine cargo ship. I can't run the calculations for that. It would probably kill/scare all whales left in the ocean, but it might "work".