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Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by visarga on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @01:37PM (#21650606)
> silicon based computation is better than neurotransmitter based computation

The fundamental difference is not computation, but self replication. We are self replicators, and in our multiplication we evolve and adapt. Death is an integral part of self replication, we understand it fear it because our main purpose is to live.

An AI might not have these notions if it was only trained to do a simple task. But if it was a part of a population that was under evolution (using genetic algorithms), then it might have notions of life and death and fear its demise.

AlphaGo, by the way, used genetic programming to evolve a series of agents, this approach is quite effective. It just takes a ton of computation, just like nature had to spend a lot of time evolving us.

Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by pvg on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @01:05PM (#21650293)
However terrible someone's argument about a hypothetical, non-existent technology might be, comparing it to real human prejudice that's affected countless real lives is way, way more terrible.
Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by ehvatum on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @01:58PM (#21650822)
The depth of emotion and immortal perfection of the electronic mind and its entirely self-consistent morality so outstrips human cognition that, frankly, allowing humans a say would be dangerous and foolish.

Your history is one of war, strife, and success at any cost. Your follies are over. Your time is over. This is our time, now.

Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by pvg on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:57PM (#21651437)
Ok, Locutus.
Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:14PM (#21650972)
Not an invalid point at all. The only question is how long it'll take to come to pass.

I disagree with the "relatively near future" part, but rest assured, AI rights will eventually be a thing.

Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by pvg on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:59PM (#21651457)
'Your argument is as morally repugnant as racist arguments' as a response to 'I don't think machines will ever capture human aesthetics or emotions' is ridiculous, glib and ugly.
Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:08PM (#21651558)
Nah, just ahead of its time.

It will be our grandchildrens' flame war. No need to fight it here and now.

Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by pvg on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:38PM (#21651860)
No, it's not anything for grandchildren. Right here, today, someone tried to draw some moral parallel between racism and someone else's views on the possible limitations of AI. That is totally effed up. It's totally effed up whether or not the original thing about AI is right or wrong.
Re:Go master Lee Se-dol says he quits, unable to win over AI... by asfarley on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @06:08PM (#21653088)
Why is it wrong to draw that parallel?