The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working People

Re:The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working... by satokema_work on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:19PM (#21649799)

You might find the extreme gun fanatics this way, but for every one of those there are dozens that just have a regular weapon in the closet for emergencies and don't advertise it whatsoever. (At least in some jurisdictions, may vary based on your location)

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Re:The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working... by shadowgovt on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:23PM (#21649847)

In an actual revolution scenario, they're pretty easy to find too. They'd be the people with guns.

I don't think I've actually ever really understood this aspect of American paranoia.

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Re:The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working... by 34679 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:28PM (#21649893)

See Venezuala. First came registration, then confiscation, then conflict. The government would round up as many guns as possible before war broke out in the streets.

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Re:The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working... by shadowgovt on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:33PM (#21649952)

It's an interesting hypothesis that more guns in the hands of civilians would have resulted in less bloody conflict (as opposed to military escalation in light of armed resistance), but I don't know how one proves it. What's the control group?

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Re:The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working... by RonanTheGrey on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:52PM (#21650176)

I don't think the claim has ever been that it would result in less bloody conflict. On the contrary, likely more bloody.

I think the claim is simply that it can potentially change the outcome.

And before anyone disagrees, how many soldiers died in Iraq & Afghanistan at the hands of insurgencies?

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Re:The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working... by shadowgovt on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @01:00PM (#21650255)

Plenty, until the US pivoted to drone-launched missiles.

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Re:The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working... by homonculus1 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @01:24PM (#21650462)

Have fun launching missiles at American cities and insurgents embedded in civilian targets. Even shooting missiles at the desert kill enough innocent bystanders to radicalize the enemy, now imagine doing that in Miami and Houston.

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Re:The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working... by shadowgovt on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:40PM (#21651879)

I have imagined it, and it's horrifying. But not guaranteed to radicalize people outside the immediate effected area against the ones pulling the trigger.

Philadelphia bombed a city block to flush out an entrenched armed group in the '80s, and life went on (for everyone who didn't have their home burned down). Don't underestimate the American capacity to believe something was done because it was necessary. It's the only country to have ever deployed nuclear weapons. Twice.

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Re:The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working... by homonculus1 on Monday December 02, 2019 @08:06AM (#21681993)

The MOVE incident was gross incompetence that spiraled out of control. If you have one of those every month, in every city, on purpose, the country is going to completely break down.

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Re:The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working... by IG_Semmelweiss on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:55PM (#21650209)

Heuristics. What are the 2 longest-standing governments in the world? US and SUI

What are the 2 most-armed civil societies in the world? US and SUI

Then you have the other end of the spectrum: is regulation of private gun ownership predict government turning on its citizens? No.

Is regulation of private gun ownership a prerequisite for authoritarian govts to turn on citizens? Yes

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Re:The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working... by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:55PM (#21650204)

It is not paranoia when a US presidential candidate states he wants full blown confiscation.

If anything, it is mistrust.

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Re:The Color of Surveillance: Monitoring of Poor and Working... by fzeroracer on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:13PM (#21650958)

I'm curious as to why gun advocates trust the candidate who says they want to confiscate guns less than the president engaging in authoritarian and corrupt behavior.

The whole point of the right to bear arms is that they're meant to be used against the government when they overstep their bounds. But what happens when the people who bear said arms agrees with how the government is breaking the law?

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