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Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by bilekas on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @07:12AM (#21647209)
But with this mentality corruption will just go unchallenged.

Its a huge risk, but the rewards for removing such a big chunk of corruption is huge. So I guess you're right, it is more of a mindset thing.

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by wayoutthere on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @09:16AM (#21647973)
It's no different than a peasant (or even a lesser lord) challenging a king in the feudal era. You spoke out against the king, you lost your head.

Billionaires are our kings. Jeff Bezos' wealth is 3 times the GDP of North Kora, which has a standing army of over a million people. They are more wealthy than a number of independent states. Do you think he couldn't fund and equip 100,000 mercenaries if his monopoly were threatened? When a peasant threatens his power, he doesn't even need to do that: a single assassin is enough. Replace Bezos (who I doubt would order a hit but you never know) with a Russian oligarch (who absolutely would order a hit) and you have your explanation.

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by learc83 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @09:50AM (#21648253)
No Jeff Bezos doesn't have the liquid assets to recruit and equip 100,000 mercenaries. Not even close. We've seen billionaires go to jail before btw (without raising a private army to protect them).

The comparison of his total net worth to the North Korea's yearly GDP and army size is irrelevant.

If he even tried to raise an army to resist the will of the US government, they would seize his assets so fast his head would spin.

That's not to say money doesn't buy political influence, but it's a much subtler kind of influence.

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by magduf on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @10:32AM (#21648669)
This is a good point. "Net worth" frequently isn't even liquid, but moreover, it's also completely subject to the whims of the government that controls that currency. That government is able to enforce its whims using sheer force, through its military.

NK may not have that much worth in USD, but it occupies territory and has military force to back its claim, and that military is motivated by things other than USD numbers on computers somewhere.

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by greggman2 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @09:48AM (#21648240)
If Jeff Bezos was to commit murder tomorrow and be caught I suspect the police would chase him, catch him, throw him in jail, he'd make bail and it would turn into a scene like OJ. I don't expect he'd be able to raise an army to break him out or defend is home. He might be able to flee the country but even that might be hard even with all his money.

If he had covertly planned ahead and already had his mercenary army in place maybe. (though maybe he'll have the secret code for all the drones....)

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by Consultant32452 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @10:38AM (#21648732)
Recently a Mexican cartel outgunned the Mexican police and forced the release of El Chapo's son. It's hard to imagine something like that happening in a wealthy country, but it's not unheard of in the real world.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/31/americas/el-chapo-son-operati...

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by learc83 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @11:21AM (#21649166)
Mexican cartels are much closer to terrorists, rebel groups, or rival states than they are to businesses operating in a functioning country.

The difference in what's basically a warlord who already has loyal troops to command, controls territory, and assets that can't be easily seized and Jeff Bezos is too much to make a comparison remotely useful.

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by Consultant32452 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:23PM (#21651055)
Sure, it seems out of character for someone like Bezos to raise an army of armed thugs like you might expect from the Sinaloa cartel. But history is full of wealthy people getting away with obvious crimes. A more likely response from someone with Bezos' personality to some situation like this is taking a private plane to a no extradition country, bankrupt a state with lawsuits from an army of lawyers, or bribing/blackmailing low level officials. Bezos isn't an Epstein, and we did eventually put Epstein in prison, but we knew that guy was raping kids ages ago and the state of FL let him go free under very sketchy circumstances.
Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by wayoutthere on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:45PM (#21650088)
It has happened (and still happens) in the US when white nationalist militias have a lot of guns. The cops don't want another Ruby Ridge or Waco; see also Cliven Bundy.
Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by gddvhy on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @11:41PM (#21654623)
When Kim Chen Ir's wife gets half of the NK army via divorce, I'll believe that JB is comparable to NK.
Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by friendlybus on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @10:07AM (#21648425)
Watching Putin force oligarchs to hand over billions in 2015-2016 and the rush to get money out of Russia makes me think you are over stating this more than a little.
Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by GhettoMaestro on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @05:33PM (#21652828)
> [...] Do you think he couldn't fund and equip 100,000 mercenaries if his monopoly were threatened? [...]

In abstract, from the numbers sense (dollars), sure, your argument stands that test.

However, it does not stand the common sense test: what are said contractors going to do once the gig is over? Part of mil contracting is keeping yourself in the good graces of the sugar-daddy government to keep the funds rolling into the future when needs arise. Oh yeah, and also avoid going to prison (for reference, see Blackwater / US Contractor indemnification in Iraq).

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by krageon on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @07:13AM (#21647217)
> reward

This person is dead. We can thus deduce the reward is death. While that is a big reward, it's not one most people want.

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by hliyan on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @09:19AM (#21648001)
Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law. - The Categorical imperative (Kant).

Basically, it's the next level of "do unto others". To determine whether your action is right or wrong, ask yourself what would happen to society if every person performed that action as a matter of habit.

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by krageon on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @09:21AM (#21648008)
When I was 18, I'm sure I would have agreed with you. After some more time living among other people, I think I can say I've moved past that. If you have not, all the more power to you!
Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by hliyan on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @10:42AM (#21648770)
At 18, I thought Atlas Shrugged was the pinnacle of philosophy. I'm 40 now, it's been only 3 years since I've started to look at morality through the lens of CI.
Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by tialaramex on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @11:54AM (#21649536)
Even this is a little unsophisticated for the same reason as the Golden Rule. The problem is that other people aren't just mirror versions of you.

In small children "theory of mind" develops, the child supposes that perhaps this experience they're having, whatever that is, is also an experience the other people who look like them are having. And this theory works well, you can make useful predictions with it. Because Daddy is like you, and you like apple drink better than pond water, you can surmise correctly that Daddy will prefer the apple drink over the pond water too. Being smacked in the face (e.g. by your own unco-ordinated limbs) hurts, and so it's not a surprise that Daddy doesn't like a smack in the face either.

But the explanatory power of theory of mind is limited if you stop there. I don't like Peanut Butter. But it turns out that other people _do_ like Peanut Butter, their minds are similar but not identical. If I see some bread with Peanut Butter spread on it, to me that bread is ruined, but to someone else that's a delicious snack.

I don't want to marry. So for me a Categorical Imperative forbidding marriage is no problem. But it's clear to me that other people value marriage and so, against my better judgement, it should continue to be permitted. Some people feel marriage should be restricted, that couples ought to be of opposite biological sex, or the same skin colour, or of child-bearing age, or whatever other constraint. I have no dog in that fight but it's simplest if we're to allow something I have no need for, to assume that everybody will avail themselves of this custom only if they value it, and so it may as well be open to everyone until we see some clear evidence of ill-effects.

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by hliyan on Friday November 29, 2019 @02:54AM (#21662844)
That's a good point. I wonder whether the answer is that CI applies to actions _taken_, not _avoided_. I could be wrong though. This requires further thought.
Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by bilekas on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @07:20AM (#21647249)
I understand, but some people don't want a life knowing the corruption they're seeing is degrading the lives of potentially millions.

I am not saying go out and get yourself killed, just that I can see the reasons some people do try to get this info out.

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by bkor on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @07:39AM (#21647347)
> This person is dead. We can thus deduce the reward is death.

You're mixing reward with outcome. The outcome is that the person was murdered. That's something entirely different from a reward.

Re:Russian whistleblower was assassinated after uncovering $... by mola on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @07:45AM (#21647373)
Maybe living with knowing about the thing was worse than the one time event of death?