Re:The Real Class War
by Pigo on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @09:35AM
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Maybe if China played by the rules, and did something about ip theft...
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Re:The Real Class War
by WhompingWindows on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @09:50AM
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China IS doing something about industrial espionage: they're supporting and encouraging it. This isn't dissimilar from what all the Western economies did with industrial espionage during the 1800's. In Rhode Island, we have the first mill in the US, known as Slater Mill, which was created by an industrial spy who stole secrets from England. The English were ahead in industry for textiles, coal mining, steam engines, steel, railroads, and all the other Europeans and Americans sent spies there to "tour" the factories or "apprentice" only to disappear just in time.
So, we shouldn't forget history and be shocked that the US is having its economic secrets stolen, as that's happened numerous times in the past.
no one is acting surprised, they’re acting upset, and rightly
I really hope they don't. Western IP laws have become suffocating to innovation (life of author +70 years copyright, software patents), and need to be weakened. Perhaps if China is successful with weaker IP laws it will get some politicians off their ass on the issue.
Re:The Real Class War
by triceratops on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @11:37AM
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How is theft of trade secrets going to undermine draconian copyright laws? Two wrongs don't make a right.
Trade secrets are even worse than draconian copyright laws arguably. The copyright at least calls for preservation. Trade secrets keep the knowledge from circulating and laws encouraging it do it more so if someone bypasses them for more competition.
Re:The Real Class War
by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @12:17PM
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Two almost completely unrelated wrongs don't make anything.
Re:The Real Class War
by triceratops on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @01:07PM
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Trade secrets and copyright are both types of intellectual property. They aren't unrelated.
Re:The Real Class War
by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @01:29PM
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Well, they're both lumped into this bucket called "intellectual property". Indy cars and unicycles are both vehicles, too. They share the property of having wheels. That doesn't make them particularly related.
The laws for copyright and for trade secrets are quite different. In fact, when someone talks about "intellectual property" rather than about one of the specific kinds (patents, trademarks, copyrights, and trade secrets), they often wind up reaching wrong conclusions. They try to apply concepts from one kind of IP on another kind, and it doesn't work.
So: Theft of trade secrets isn't going to fix draconian copyright law, not only because two wrongs don't make a right, but also because copyright and trade secrets don't have all that much to do with each other.
What makes you think there are two wrongs?
i would settle for not having our businesses hacked by their state
Re:The Real Class War
by teunispeters on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @11:11AM
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Ah yes, Europe and button copyrights all over again...
(this plays big into USA's history)