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Re:The Real Class War by paganel on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:07AM (#21636418)
Just as an additional data point to the conversation, I didn’t know who the author was (I don’t live in the States) and I think this was my first time visiting the website on which the article was published, and as such I thought the author was more on the left of the political spectrum.
Re:The Real Class War by spats1990 on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:34AM (#21636521)
I didn't know who he was either, and regardless it's possible for him to be both alt-right and on the mark in this article (although I assume that I had a similar response to you, I was a little disconcerted to see him described as alt-right).

In my limited experience huge swathes of the so-called alt right are, regardless of their other political positions, just as dismal about their economic future as the young left, and they have no illusions about concentration of capital, etc, since the 80s and have drawn similar conclusions.

Re:The Real Class War by AndyMcConachie on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:03AM (#21636395)
Did you even read TFA?

I understand a little of what you're saying in your second paragraph, and personally I prefer the term 'working poor' instead of 'working class'. Since people these days can work 3 jobs and still be poor. But these kinds of definitions are not what should be focused on. I think you're missing the forest for the trees.

I see no evidence for the argument you make in your third paragraph. Nor do I understand why you read this as some neo-fascist trick on class consciousness.

Re:The Real Class War by tristram_shandy on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:17AM (#21636449)
You would have to understand class in the academic sense, as opposed to what you've been told your entire life, so being confused is entirely understandable.

Class is a term that relates to an individual's relationship with the means of production in a society. The means of production is the capital property, of course, the businesses, the factories, productive agricultural land. This relationship is material, meaningful, and provides a precise description of class in society.

Class is not about whether you swing a hammer or use a Macbook.

Hacker News comments are not the appropriate place to learn or teach any of this, because quite frankly I'm tired.

The Communist Manifesto is twenty pages. It's available freely online. Yes, it's greatly simplified propaganda from the 19th century. That said, you should take an hour to read it, and then hit up Wikipedia, look for counter arguments, whatever, make up your own mind - once you do, see if you come back and believe that Krein knows much of anything at all.

Re:The Real Class War by anigbrowl on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:19AM (#21636227)
While Krein used to support Trump, he decisively abandoned him after Charlottesville and calling him alt-right now doesn't seem founded in fact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Krein

To be frank, I think your sort of self-satisfied academic left rhetoric is a large part of the problem, and so you are so in love with it that you've fundamentally misunderstood the writer's argument, which is a great deal closer to your position than you seem to realize.

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Re:The Real Class War by AndyMcConachie on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:05AM (#21636406)
What do you believe Krein is recuiting for?
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Re:The Real Class War by dang on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:37AM (#21636534)
It looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle, which is against the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), and we ban accounts that do it. The flamewar style doesn't lead to interesting internet discussions, it leads to boring and nasty ones, so please don't do it here.

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