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Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by crazygringo on Monday November 25, 2019 @01:27PM (#21631156)
Sorry, but they're not extremely broken. I worked at OkCupid 8 years ago, saw the issues they faced then and have seen the evolution of the apps since then, and right now they really are as good as anyone's been able to come up with that attracts enough active users to generate promising dates.

If there were a drastically better solution, then it would take over the market. The last major innovation was when Tinder invented swiping and went mobile-first, a genius move which drastically cut down the spam women deal with and made it actually feel like a fun game instead of a chore.

The fact is, despite all the work of psychologists and technologists, nobody's come up with a better, more efficient way of matching people. Personality profiles and questionnaires are a poor predictor of chemistry -- they can help with filtering compatibility in basic ways, but they're not going to find you your soul mate.

Photos reveal potential likely chemistry more than anything else. Swiping works. Messaging works. The apps can't perform magic, though. If you're looking to find more success on them than you would with the same group of people at a bar or meetup or wherever, that's not gonna happen. They're not changing whether people are attracted to each other or not.

What they do do is give you a pool of users far larger than you'd ever encounter in a single night out, and you know they're mostly all single, also different from when you go out. And they're honestly pretty good at that.

Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by SkyBelow on Monday November 25, 2019 @01:33PM (#21631213)
>is give you a pool of users far larger than you'd ever encounter in a single night out

If the paradox of choice is actually true (as with anything in psychology, it needs further research to be sure), then this could be a major negative instead of a major positive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paradox_of_Choice

Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by downerending on Monday November 25, 2019 @03:25PM (#21632397)
At least for dating, there's an easy solution to the Paradox of Choice problem:

    1.  Be unattractive.
    2.  Don't be attractive.
Seriously, though, this probably was a factor for why I met my current wife on OKC. There were only a few plausible (at best) matches, she was the only one who could converse coherently, and, well, one thing led to another...
Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by StacyRoberts on Monday November 25, 2019 @05:28PM (#21633489)
The very name plenty of fish leads one to believe there is always someone better. As such daters do not invest the time it takes to develop intimacy by growing trust, resolving incompatibilities, solving issues together, etc.

It enables a habit of bailing at the first sign of trouble.

Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by quotemstr on Monday November 25, 2019 @01:41PM (#21631311)
It's one of those situations in which something that's a major positive at an individual level becomes a major negative at the group level. Any given individual would prefer to have more choice if you asked him or her, but the overall effect of all this choice is probably to distort and delay normal pair bonding. If I were God emperor of mankind, I'd just ban dating apps as a way to solve this classic collective action problem.
Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by SkyBelow on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @10:06AM (#21638840)
>Any given individual would prefer to have more choice if you asked him or her

I think the issue here isn't one of what does a person wants, but what they benefit from. Sometimes people are harmed by what they want. In many cases this is obvious (think any addictions), but in others it belabors the mind as we struggle to see how something that looks harmless and helpful is actually harmful.

Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by ShteiLoups on Monday November 25, 2019 @02:12PM (#21631615)
I don't think that applies here, although maybe I'm only right about users who understand what they are doing/have the right mindset.

I've lost the attribution, but someone said that "dating is a numbers game. The goal is to go on as many first dates as possible, to get in front of as many people as possible. At this, tinder (and associates) absolutely excel. There is no other way to reliably find a lot of single people to go on dates with."

Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by StacyRoberts on Monday November 25, 2019 @06:05PM (#21633846)
That is not the mathematicians approach. https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2014/05/15/312537965/h...

Most people commit to one person eventually so you'll need to make a choice.

Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by ShteiLoups on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @07:11PM (#21653512)
Agreed, the general goal of dating apps is to generate pairs. But in order to generate the desired pair, as many pairs must be "brute forced" as possible, as efficiently as possible, is my point.
Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by surge on Monday November 25, 2019 @02:48PM (#21632018)
I think it might apply in one sense. If you're in a room and the most attractive people is a 6 or a 7 and maybe a 9 or a 10. You're more likely to have a conversation with the 6-7 range given you can tell if the other person is even interested and you have a limitation of choice, there might even be other things about the 9-10's that put you off. They seem more appealing, etc.

Go online, suddenly the pool is so large that you see dozens of 9-10's and swipe right on them, suddenly the 6-7s seem less attractive so you start swiping left when in a social setting you'd probably at least talk to them, you become more picky, and you end up getting fewer matches because the wealth of choice leads to you being pickier about physical attractiveness than you'd otherwise be IRL.

Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by quirkot on Monday November 25, 2019 @02:52PM (#21632062)
The critical assumption here is that the first date is a useful metric for a long term relationship. And I don't think that holds, using hiring as an analog
Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by occamsrazorwit on Sunday December 01, 2019 @01:35AM (#21674197)
FWIW, Coffee Meets Bagel had the limited pool of users as a key feature of their app, and they eventually killed that.
Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by lazyjones on Monday November 25, 2019 @01:34PM (#21631229)
> They're not changing whether people are attracted to each other or not.

Sure they are. Good photos, filters, Photoshop, sometimes even fake pictures, make a huge difference.

Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by hombre_fatal on Monday November 25, 2019 @01:42PM (#21631327)
When Tinder launched, you could only choose pictures that you've used as your Facebook profile picture. I thought it was a brilliant way to cut down on bullshit because you have to use a picture you were willing to show the whole world (so, less likely to use that photoshopped portrait that doesn't even look like you).

Though eventually you could upload any image.

Either way, I don't think it's such a big problem. Most people know that the feeling of betrayal is the last thing you want your date to feel when you walk into the room. It's just not a winning strategy.

Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by blub on Monday November 25, 2019 @02:25PM (#21631763)
If anything ever requires access to Facebook, you can be 100% sure that it's done to grab whatever info is in your FB profile and not for fancy security reasons.

Even if they started from another reason, they'll at some point want to grab the data.

Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by an_opabinia on Monday November 25, 2019 @03:10PM (#21632249)
> I worked at OkCupid 8 years ago...

OkCupid's problem, and the problem at Match Group in general, is that you learned something about 100% of OkCupid users instead of 0.01% of randomly-sampled real world people, and maybe that something that you learned was 200% wrong. And then, you think your answers are 1,000% more correct because 100% - 0.01% = 99.99%.

Granted that logic is great for equity investors. It just isn't necessarily great for users.

Nobody pushed back on the assumption that online dating was a representative sample. Nobody pushes back on whether the right questions were being asked. Match didn't even choose the right engagement metrics, choosing things like message reply rate which can rise while active users fall. The style of how these metrics were chosen and what analysis was done papered over serious issues. And all the people who would have, by now, the maturity and tenure to admit they were wrong are gone.

Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by DrScump on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @08:45PM (#21644594)

   I worked at OkCupid 8 years ago
You started before they were bought out by Match?
Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by masonic on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @08:48PM (#21644607)

  Photos reveal potential likely chemistry
Photos say nothing about chemistry, using the dating-normal definition of the term. They only provide appearance, and usually an idealized version of that.
Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by StacyRoberts on Monday November 25, 2019 @04:23PM (#21632959)
Chemistry is not a predictor of long-term relationship success.
Re:Greensboro Man Creates Dating App Where He's the Only Guy... by imtringued on Monday November 25, 2019 @06:34PM (#21634094)
Successful dating apps suffer from a shrinking user base.